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Still waiting on the first manufacture to release an m-ITX FM2+.
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Well.. I would look at the big jumps made from Trinity to Richland and take that as a sign that AMD figured a few tricks to apply to the Steamroller architecture to get more efficient performance on a smaller die... They look pretty promising, and something tells me that Gigabyte has already received early samples and are impressed if they've developed the boards for Kaveri.

The thing I'm most interested in finding out is what improvements have been made as far as card compatibility for DGM with Kaveri... It'd be something if it would be compatible with say the 7850/70. Not expecting that to be the case of course... but as long as it's at least officially compatible for the 77xx series instead of the 6670 like the Richland... then it should be a very nice performance jump overall.

Richland was more biased towards turboing the cpu than the gpu and there were probably some process tweaks. Turbo core is also probably more quick to respond in general.
You can actually get some clues to how steamroller may perform from some leaked uarch info, gcc machine descriptor files etc. The theoretical computational throughput of the FPU has not changed, but its throughput in the real world is much better this time around (40-50% better is not unrealistic in certain situations). Decoders doubled, L1 and L2 caches are better, and branch prediction is improved too. Now add that more intelligent turbo core and I think kaveri will be very good.

Considering that kaveri has a 7750 onboard basically, xfire with another one should be very balanced (driver frame timing algorithm has to be improved tho).
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Their market research tells them that gamers enjoy that sort of stuff.

Does that mean 12 year olds on /v/?
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isn't the 7730 suppose to be for Richland CPUs? thats what i would use but i gess its not officially supported like the 7750/7770 but i was thinking about getting one http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814202038

A10 Kaveri should have 512 SPs and match up well with 7750. The lower-end (probably A8) version that only has 384 SPs will probably be better off paired with a 7730 though.
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As far as the AM3+ boards you're correct, one really is best suited going with a high end board from Gigabyte or ASUS... with the APUs, however, there seems to be more balance among Gigabyte, ASUS and ASRock. I'm not sure about MSI's FM2 boards, but I wouldn't personally trust them as a manufacturer since MSI boards have fried 2 of my systems in the past, on one the VRMS failed and sent out a power surge, killing the CPU, GPU and RAM, the other went up in sparks and flames torching everything but the power supply and BR burner. Naturally MSI refused to admit they had used poor quality VRMs on their boards and that they were in anyway responsible. And of course, I certainly would never trust anything from budget brands like BioStar or ECS.

ASRock has some pretty nice AM3+ boards, some pretty affordable ones too (so does ASUS with their M5A97 line and Gigabyte with those 8+2 phase 970 chipset boards, though because of my less than stellar experience with my 990FXA-UD3 I wouldn't put too much faith in them). The majority of AM3+ boards on the market today are junk though. Out of the 62 AM3+ boards on Newegg there's only around 20 I would ever consider buying.

FM2 boards are a different story, since it's much less of an enthusiast platform and more about the feature set and the board simply working. However, plenty of FM2 boards don't seem to work very well at all (hell, Anandtech praised Gigabyte's A85X UD4 board and said it was close to getting an award just because it worked with no problems), and next to none of them have an impressive feature set. I mean, sure, there's only so much you can throw into a $80 board, but there are no real nice high-end FM2 boards. The G1.Sniper will be the first actual enthusiast board for the Fusion platform. That's a pretty big step up.

MSI seems to have fixed the whole explosion problem but I still refuse to buy their motherboards after that whole fiasco unless they offer something significantly better than their competitors at a given price point (which I never recall them doing).

Biostar has made some really good boards, particularly their AMD 800 series line.
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Asrock will probably put out some good boards for FM2+ as well.
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Asrock will probably put out some good boards for FM2+ as well.
The Extreme4 and Extreme6 should live up to their name. I run their FM2 Extreme6, and it's a beefy board (8+2 phase vrm), supports quad crossfire, supports 2600 MHz memory. Lots of people say AMD's APU line will never be an enthusiast platform. I personally like to think even my 6800k + FM2 Extreme6 is a really nice enthusiast platform. There isn't a single game that I cant play with my system. With the way FM2+ boards are looking, rumors are starting to look more and more true that FX is done with. These boards are some really nice enthusiast boards, especially for a chip with a 65-100w TDP. It's also nice to see seven motherboards coming out of one manufacture. This means the market is going to be loaded with FM2+ boards.
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I'm digging that UP4 rolleyes.gif

Yep, looks just like a red version of my UP5 TH.
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The Extreme4 and Extreme6 should live up to their name. I run their FM2 Extreme6, and it's a beefy board (8+2 phase vrm), supports quad crossfire, supports 2600 MHz memory. Lots of people say AMD's APU line will never be an enthusiast platform. I personally like to think even my 6800k + FM2 Extreme6 is a really nice enthusiast platform. There isn't a single game that I cant play with my system. With the way FM2+ boards are looking, rumors are starting to look more and more true that FX is done with. These boards are some really nice enthusiast boards, especially for a chip with a 65-100w TDP. It's also nice to see seven motherboards coming out of one manufacture. This means the market is going to be loaded with FM2+ boards.

It's not an enthusiast platform. That board is far from enthusiast. And, more importantly, the performance isn't enthusiast-level.
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It's not an enthusiast platform. That board is far from enthusiast. And, more importantly, the performance isn't enthusiast-level.
It's not classified as an enthusiast platform (yet). And my board packs more enthusiast grade features than most 990FX boards you can find on the market at the same price level. And the performance isn't enthusiast level? I haven't found a game on the market that's not playable on my machine at high settings. And that's without me even overclocking the chip, which will do 5.0 GHz at around 1.525v. Tho I have no need to overclock it, as it just chews through whatever I throw at it. Obviously you don't own one, so your say in the matter is moot. wink.gif
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It's not classified as an enthusiast platform (yet). And my board packs more enthusiast grade features than most 990FX boards you can find on the market at the same price level. And the performance isn't enthusiast level? I haven't found a game on the market that's not playable on my machine at high settings. And that's without me even overclocking the chip, which will do 5.0 GHz at around 1.525v. Tho I have no need to overclock it, as it just chews through whatever I throw at it. Obviously you don't own one, so your say in the matter is moot. wink.gif

Yeah, most 990FX boards in that price range are absolute crap.

Any board with only 16 PCI-E 2.0 lanes is not enthusiast.

Sorry, but being able to play games on one monitor at high settings is not enthusiast level. Your CPU will hold back any enthusiast-grade graphics setup btw.

A quad-core Piledriver at 5GHz is not a powerful chip. It works for you and it's a good value, that's great. It comes short of 6 and 8 core FX chips, more recent i5s, and i7s.

What you throw at it must not be that intensive at all. 1080p gaming with a 5870 is not the pinnacle of computing.

I don't own a chip so I can't have a say on it? What a childish statement. That sounds like those FX-8150 buyers with remorse saying "u dont have 8150 lol u dont kno u cant talk it dont matter tht all reviews say its garbage". In any event, I own a 4.5GHz 8-core Piledriver; I think I have a good idea of how the same CPU with half the cores would perform.
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I would swap to AMD that day. Hell if they can give me I5 performance in ITX I will be there

Aa but piledriver fx @5ghz scores ~1.32 on cinebench 11.5 singlethreaded, while i'm pushing 2.15 on Haswell frown.gif

i5 is worse multithreaded than i7, but not single, that's where intel destroys everything that amd has right now

I hear it's biased a bit towards intel, but not that much. Hard to take anything AMD if you rely on singlethreaded performance, though Kaveri looks to be insane. FX8320 also costs literally like £110 while i5 is £190, and intel doesn't have any quad core or unlocked competition in the lower end, especially not anything that could match the value and power of an APU after considering that you need dedicated graphics for them.
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I haven't found a game on the market that's not playable on my machine at high settings

Aah man don't go there, i haven't found a game on the market that's not playable at 800x600 either, or with a 7770. It doesn't mean they're not usable, just that they are not the best. We don't all have the best stuff, that's what value is for - but don't try to sell a cheaper, performance per dollar part as the best stuff on the planet
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