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I am looking to build a general purpose system that will also be able to handle games such as Rome TW2 & Arma3. My budget is around £800 (plus another £4 to £500—for a monitor). The budget is a little flexible either way.
It’s been ten years since I built a system and in truth I find all the options quite bewildering and even if I know what the best components for my budget and needs are then I’m more confused about the best blend.
I’m in the UK and expect to order most stuff from Amazon so I’ve listed some of the components here that I’ve researched but if I’d really appreciate some advice from you guys.
I generally feel more well-disposed to an Intel/Nvidia setup but just want the best performance for the money so am open to being persuaded to get an AMD processor and graphics card.
I’ll be using Windows 7 as I hate Widowss 8.



27” Monitor
My budget is between £300-£500

Options: Dell or Asus PB278Q.

The Dell is the most attractive but has been getting some terrible user reviews for bleeding and crosshatching etc.

* http://www.amazon.co.uk/Dell-Ultrasharp-U2713HM-Widescreen-Monitor/dp/B0093IW14I/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1376499179&sr=8-1&keywords=Dell+UltraSharp+U2713HM

* http://www.amazon.co.uk/PB278Q-Widescreen-Multimedia-2560x1440-DisplayPort/dp/B009668YPM/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1376755235&sr=8-1&keywords=Asus+PB278




Motherboard

I just want a good motherboard at a good price, maybe with some capacity to take newer chips in a year or so.



CPU

I’m out of touch with CPU tech. As with graphics cards, I want to get a powerful CPU but I don’t want to be paying crazy money for diminishing returns. Can you give advice on AMD or Intel i5 v i7. I assume it depends on the model and some i5’s might be better than some i7’s.




Graphics card

Here are some that scored well on comparison charts and I’m going for as high on the curve as I can get before the performance to cost ratio starts to get ridiculous.

GTX 670 -- £280
GTX 760 -- £233
GTX 660Ti --£180
GTX 660sc -- £ 170
GTX 560Ti -- £ 150



RAM

I figure more is better and as 16GB isn’t that expensive then is it better to go with 16 rather than 8?

Kingston Hyper X 16GB -- £100-140





Hard disk

I have some older (from five years ago) Maxtor 250GB 7200rpm HD’s that I can use for further storage so I was interested in having an SSD as my main boot up and game content drive.
SSD 256GB £195

OCZ VTX450-25SAT3-256G Vertex 450 256GB 7mm 2.5 inch SATA 3.0 Internal Solid State Drive




Sound Card

Do I even need one or do most motherboards have on-board sound these days?



Case

Just need something good looking but functional I like usb/mic & Headphone jacks to be in the front and I won’t be installing any physical CD/DVD disk drives.



Power Supply

They all look the same to me but bearing in mind the components I’ve listed can you recommend one?

Conclusion: Can you not only advise on the build for my budget but also a good blend to avoid bottlenecks etc. Thanks’ in advance.
post #2 of 4
Monitor - search "Qnix matte" on ebay, about 270-280 usd shipped from korea

Mobo - take your pick in socket 1150

Cpu - get what your budget allows in socket 1150

GPU - Well, AMD is going to announce their new 9000 series in about a month, and release them a few weeks after that. So you may want to hold off on GPU and just get your system assembled using integrated graphics and then see what the GPU market is like at that time. If you must get one now go for the best deal you can find on a 7950

Ram - Yes, largest size modules in the minimum necessary (i.e. to enable dual channel) ram slots is usually the best choice to start IMO

SSD - Yep SSD's are good but 2 x 128GB would be better, although 25 usd more than 1 256GB. it gives you the option of RAID, mix n match in different rigs, and separate boot drives for VM's. Even without RAID, if your mobo has only 1 SATA III channel, you have a slave and a master and better to have OS on 1 and games/VMs on the other for parrallelization of I/O. From what I can tell OCZ has about the worst rep in the SSD arena based on rate of return. If you can spring it go with 2 x 128GB Samsung 840 Pro or SanDisk Extremes. The thing about SSD's is their speed, so you need to look at their speed:price ratio rather than their GB:price ratio. A Samsung 840 EVO is a good in between because it has the read speed of the Pro with the write speed of the non-pro, and random read speed is way more important for gaming and most things in general.
2x http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820147247

Sound card - I use onboard 7.1 and it's good enough for me. I'm not much of an audiophile though, others might disagree.

Case - Can't go wrong with Cooler Master Haf series IMO.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811119257&nm_mc=KNC-GoogleAdwords&cm_mmc=KNC-GoogleAdwords-_-pla-_-Computer+Cases-_-N82E16811119257&gclid=CKqw7fmFhbkCFS9eQgodum8AgA

I'd still want an optical drive (20 usd) though for things like Plop, gparted, and things I don't generally keep on a USB stick like I do a slipstreamed W7. I'd load up a floppy drive / multi card reader
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813998514
for flashing bios n floppies for keeping different bioses on. Those things you want well separate and not a bunch on the same USB. I'd also get this SSD dock for the other 3.5" bay for your 2 x 128GB sammy 840 Pro's tongue.gif
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817994148
EDIT: I just looked at that case again and it looks like it might already have docks included

PSU - http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817139010 that will run 2 of all but the biggest GPU's in SLi/Crossfire should you ever choose to do so. If you know you'll never run more than 1 GPU then you could step down to a 650w but at the current moment the 750w is $5 less after rebate, at least on this side of the pond. If you wanted 2 monter or tri-sli then you should go 850-1000w
Edited by WOD35 - 8/17/13 at 11:41am
post #3 of 4
Monitor:

Get a 27" 1440p catleap etc or VP2770.monitor instead. The Dell Ultrasharp U2713h has lots and lots of issues (crosshatching bad Wide Gamut, etc like the u3014)

As NCX said:

Only get an ACD if you are ok with having a mirror & grayish blacks at home.

Left glass vs. right semi-glossy (same-ish coating as matte Qnix/X-Star)

Example 2

Glass Left vs. Glossy

It might be wise to wait for the NEC PA272W to be released since it will feature proper hardware calibration & properly cover both the sRGB & Adobe RGB color space but lack the obvious ghosting issues the Dell U2713H has. For standard gamut work one can't go wrong with the Viewsonic VP2770.

The PA271W uses a grainy matte coating which adds a noticeable film grain/noise affect when viewing whits & light colors. Can't imagine an ACD user not being disgusted by it.



Motherboard/CPU
Well I was in this boat. Personally you can find insane deals, since people like me are now unloading our old systems and upgrading. Your overseas, but if you check our thread:
http://www.overclock.net/t/1415441/7680x1440-benchmarks-plus-2-3-4-way-sli-gk110-scaling/100_100#post_20671335
the i7-930 o/c to 4+ghz keeps up with even the 3930 almost.... Sad to be selling mine, but 4930 right?


Graphics card
Based on what you had I would go for the 770 or 670. Not sure about the 760 the price seems wrong.


RAM
I would go based on your motherboard if its tri channel get 3 sticks, quad 4 sticks. Go for 8-16GB

Hard disk
If you have space get a 256 -500GB SSD then a 1-3TB IDE like the WD Red or Black



Sound Card
No Need

Cases:
$100 - Antec 1100 ATX Case
$105 - Corsair Carbide Series 500R ATX Case
$115 - Corsair Graphite Series 600TM ATX Case
$140 - Corsair Obsidian Series 550D ATX Case
$144 - Silverstone RV03B-W ATX case
$144 - Silverstone RV03B-WA ATX case
$154 - Corsair Special Edition White Graphite Series 600T ATX Case
$168 - Silverstone TJ04B-EW ATX Case
$167 - Corsair Obsidian Series 650D ATX Case
$230 - Silverstone FT02B-USB3.0 ATX Case
$250 - Silverstone FT02S-W-USB3.0 ATX Case
$245 - Corsair Obsidian Series 800D CC800DW ATX Case

With that said, the TRUE-120 is no longer one of the most bad-ass coolers on the market. There are better cooling solutions out there since the release of the TRUE 120. Compared to today's HSF, the TRUE-120 is kinda in the uppper middle-range class. In fact, there are $30 HSF that actually cool a tad better than the TRUE-120. Still though, I'd recommend a case upgrade over a HSF upgrad


Power Supply
If you have space go big to future proof yourself to like an AX860
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MouseAudio
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Optical DriveCoolingOSMonitor
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Dell 30" Dell 30" Microsoft 4000 ergonomic keyboard EVGA G2 1300 
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Lian Li Custom modded  Razer Copperhead Razer eXact Mat Onboard and Logitech speakers 
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Da Rig2
(20 items)
 
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
Intel 5930k Asus Rampage V Extreme EVGA 1080 Founders Edition Crucial Ballistix 32GB Sport (4x8GB) 
Hard DriveHard DriveHard DriveHard Drive
2 - Samsung Pro 850 2TB Raid 0 Seagate Barracuda 3TB 7200rpm 3 WD Red 4TB NAS(No array) Samsung Pro 850 1 TB 
Optical DriveCoolingCoolingOS
LITE-ON 12X Blu-ray  ThermalRight SB-IE Custom 10 fans Win 7 X64 
MonitorKeyboardPowerCase
Samsung 55" / 65" Microsoft Sculpt EVGA G2-1300 Lian Li Custom Modded PC_70 
MouseAudio
Razer Deathadder Chroma Creative X7 
CPUMotherboardGraphicsGraphics
Xeon X5660 Gigabyte X58a-ud5 rev2 (Custom Bios mod FF3 10/... EVGA Titan EVGA Titan 
RAMHard DriveHard DriveHard Drive
12GB 3 2GB dimm G Skill PC3 10700 7-8-7-22 (84... Seagate 2 x 1.5GB 3 WD Red 3TB  Samsung Pro 840 
Optical DriveCoolingOSMonitor
LITE-ON 12X Blu-ray  10+fans and Ultra 120 Extreme cooler Win 7 x64 Dell 30" 
MonitorMonitorKeyboardPower
Dell 30" Dell 30" Microsoft 4000 ergonomic keyboard EVGA G2 1300 
CaseMouseMouse PadAudio
Lian Li Custom modded  Razer Copperhead Razer eXact Mat Onboard and Logitech speakers 
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Power Supply
If you have space go big to future proof yourself to like an AX860

The Cooler Master V850 is the same PSU but way cheaper so the AX860 would be a stupid way to spend money

I say this if you want two video cards
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817182264

Or this for one
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817182262
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Samsung 840 Evo WD Green WD30EZRX  WD Green WD40EZRX  WD Green WD60EZRX  
Hard DriveOptical DriveCoolingCooling
WD Red WD80EFZX 8TB  LG CH12NS30 5x Noctua NF-A14 FLX Noctua NH-D15 
OSMonitorKeyboardPower
Windows 7 64 Bit Asus PG279Q Corsair Gaming Strafe RGB EVGA SuperNova G2 750 watt 
CaseMouseMouse PadAudio
Phanteks Enthoo Luxe Roccat Kone XTD Laser Roccat Sense Metor Sennheiser HD 598 
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