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so i guess there's no other tapes?

on amazon.com you can find black karton tape too.
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post #142 of 846
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on amazon.com you can find black karton tape too.
is it a thin as the tape before?
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Expect announcement soon...

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Even in all black cloth pads there is a difference in LOD with different pads.
I noticed it with testing my Savu on different pads I own.

The lowest LOD I got with my artisan shiden kai (white, with glas fibers in it).

But when testing on my black pads the lowest lod I would get with my worn out qck+ where the cm storm battlepad would give me slighter higher lod but that pad was not used so much and is more shiny and reflects light better and tighter woven.

With my earlier mice like the cm storm spawn the Artisan shiden kai (white) lowerd the LOD aswell very good.

But its weird if you think about seing that with a tape trick you dimm the light wich results in lower LOD and sometimes lower max malfunction speeds.
But using a white surface with glas fibers wich reflects light crazy give aswell lower LOD.

So best is to test youre mouse on a pad you order and else send it back.
Every mouse LOD could be slightly different aswell as the pad can change the LOD for good or worse.

There is one surface I want to test still and that is the orange surface from Artisan.
The Shiden-Kai reflects light all over the place. It doesn't reflect most of the light back to the sensor. This is a real big problem for LED sensors. The faster you move the mouse the less light (from what I can tell) the mouse will get from this surface. With this surface the result is lower LOD and malfunction speed.

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it has to be non-transparent tape.
i suggest parcel tape as it is very thin and doesn't scrape on the mousepad.

oh please...rolleyes.gif
You think blocking the designed path for the light doesn't hurt anything? From the little testing I did with this tape technique it did affect tracking...

It doesn't have to be opaque tape. You can use clear tape and a black marker. Place the tape where it needs to be and use the marker to darken the tape. The more you apply the marker the more it works.
Edited by popups - 8/22/13 at 8:18am
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Expect announcement soon...

....for Steelseries LOD reduction tape. thumb.gif
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Red Hien vs Dark Blue Hien (Click to show)
I will make this simple.

Mice with a standard lens will not show a large LOD change (if any) over blue (maybe black - I don't have black Hien to test) for most people to want to buy red over a dark color. It's not enough to justify red for LOD, but for other tracking attributes like frame rates maybe.

I tested my NEW red Artisan Hien and my OLD dark blue Hien. My conclusion is: don't care to much about color -- care about surface texture and materials more.

When might a red mouse pad mean more than a black one? When you want to raise LOD with a Kingsis lens (Zowie mice) or a PixArt lens (Kana v1). There is a caveat. My old batch of Artisan Hiens had a softer texture which made LOD different between colors. My new batch Hien has a rougher texture that makes LOD lower on some mice and higher on others. When I came to my previous conclusion about red raising LOD over dark colors, with the Zowie mice, was with the old batch. The new batch behaves differently. Simply put, the texture is more valuable when it comes to LOD.

I haven't yet tested (again) the tape fix with red vs dark blue. Since I now have two different textured Hiens I cannot do a proper test... So it's enough talk about one color vs another. For LOD at least.

I just played a few hours with the Kana. I must say I DO NOT like it at all! Now I understand why Forest uses the Kinzu.

It looked nice when I was taking it out of the box. Then I saw the "build quality". Okay, this is the v1, not the v2, but still. You can tell that SteelSeries cheap'd out with the Kana's mold. Anyway, I do not care to much about that.

Majority of my discontent is from the shape and the side buttons. I never thought I would say, I rather use my AM. I am a palm grip person and the Kana is for a claw grip. A grip like Takasta's. If I palm the mouse it feels wrong and I accidentally click the buttons to much because of it. It's to wide on the top and to narrow at the sides. The back slope doesn't support your palm (for a palm grip) like the AM does. The gap between the sides and the button causes you to accidentally press it with your thumb when you put pressure on the side. Your small finger presses the side button too, due to the Kana being wide at the top and narrow at the bottom, with the side button right in the middle. Maybe if that gap wasn't there I could use the mouse. Then again the sides...

I know the SteelSeries design is for a claw grip player... However, you would think an ambidextrous mouse would be forgiving.

I didn't like the cable or the scroll wheel. Two things that are similar (if not the same) in the v2. I accidentally scroll the wheel due to it's low resistance. The cable is thin and stiff, yet malleable (sort of). The sensor position didn't bother me nor CPI button.

I have to agree with others about placing shape first over sensor. At least in this case. I don't like the DeathAdder's shape but at least I can use it. Even if the Kana v2 is the best 3090 mouse available I will pass on it. I will settle for the Zowie FK and all the little things I do to make it suit me. I will just have to use the FK on the last two steps. Or I could murder my DeathAdder to put it into a Intellimouse Optical!

I will return it and use the money on the expensive FK. I don't like the coating or the color but whatever...
Edited by popups - 8/22/13 at 11:16pm
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if you're palm maybe a taipan or death adder might be better.

personally i hate palm designed mice. i love my hand to wrap all over the edge of my mouse.

who cares if its ambidextrous.
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I just played a few hours with the Kana. I must say I DO NOT like it at all! Now I understand why Forest uses the Kinzu.

Are you sure his decision isn't related to form factor? I mean, as far as I'm aware, the specific player has been on Kinzu(s) since inception. Regardless of the original having what anyone here would consider a sensor not suitable for gaming. High inherit acceleration, heavy correction, low IPS etc.. Basically anything people would moan about, the mouse had. There are many stories related to the v1.. ^^

Personally, I'm quite sure you would enjoy the full Xai(Sensei) mold, but I hold bias here.
Edited by Skylit - 8/23/13 at 4:37am
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Are you sure his decision isn't related to form factor? I mean, as far as I'm aware, the specific player has been on Kinzu(s) since inception. Regardless of the original having what anyone here would consider a sensor not suitable for gaming. High inherit acceleration, heavy correction, low IPS etc.. Basically anything people would moan about, the mouse had. There are many stories related to the v1.. ^^

Personally, I'm quite sure you would enjoy the full Xai(Sensei) mold, but I hold bias here.
Just a random guess. I was thinking that maybe he tried out the Kinzu, Sensei and Kana. Then went with the shape/size that he prefers out of those. That is what I would do if I was sponsored by SteelSeries.

My complaints about the Kana wouldn't be there for the Kinzu because it has no side buttons and it's smaller. The smaller size would allow me to control/hold it better than the Kana considering the Kana's shape.
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You realise f0rest is currently using the Kana v2 right?
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no he doesn't
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