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Right now I am using a blue Hien to slightly raise the LOD on the Zowie mice. When I want maximum LOD and performance I will use the red Hien for the Zowie mice. I will not use black pads with the Zowie mice.

For the DeathAdder 3.5G I use the red Hien to decrease the LOD. I don't find the blue Hien to lower LOD enough for me to want to use it over the red. I will never use black cloth for the DeathAdder. Which means I will not use black cloth for the Kana v2 as well.
Ok thanks
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You guys should suggest to SteelSeries to offer their large pad in red like they do their smaller one.
Fully agreed. I'm not sure if SS would care, though.
post #62 of 846
how high is the LOD compared to the wmo? this mouse looked really good until I read about the LOD
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It's not an issue, it by design. I use a blue or red mouse pad to lower it. I have some other ideas to try out when I get one that won't take away performance.

If that is by design they don't have a clue what they are doing. You can't fix a 4,5mm lod with any colored mousepad... And most people (including me) don't want to open the mouse and void warranty to fix what should have been working from the start. Taping the bottom of the mouse is also a funny way to deal with the problem, it's nothing more than a stopgap that impacts other important sensor parameters.

Most people use a black colored mousepad, so this is the color that the mouse should work perfectly from the start.
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I hate to say it but steelseries is not to blame for it - besides picking up the sensor and wanting to ensure that it is not too picky about surface.
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I hate to say it but steelseries is not to blame for it - besides picking up the sensor and wanting to ensure that it is not too picky about surface.
You'd think that at first, but I haven't heard any complaints about LOD on Roccat mice for example.

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If that is by design they don't have a clue what they are doing. You can't fix a 4,5mm lod with any colored mousepad...
Well if popups' observations are accurate (I don't see why not), then a right color pad DOES fix 4,5 mm LOD well enough.
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If an individual with his own investment like bst can execute normal lod with the same sensor I see no reason why a multi million dollar company like SteelSeries shouldn't be able to do the same. They are designing mice for gamers, but yet they keep releasing mice that have some flaws that are almost impossible to ignore.

4,5 mm lod is way too high, it will render the mouse completely useless for allot of gamers.
The other issue is they keep advertising on the box that its 2mm, somebody needs to put them in court and sue them for false advertising.
Maybe milk the profits they got from releasing mice with crappy internals like the Kana V1.

I thought Razer was the most annoying company when it comes to stuff like this, but I have to say they are starting to make good executions with the shapes they are working with. SteelSeries on the other hand is doing things worse.

Kinzu V2 which was supposed to be an improvement over the V1 turned out to be worse. The V1 kinzu despite the acceleration problems at least it had good lod, great coating, stable polling and was bearable once you got used to the accel. The Kinzu V2 ended up with much cheaper coating, terrible sensor, fake teflon feet, unstable polling rate, and broken lod. Not too mention the mouse wheel rattling.
Edited by Oeshon - 8/19/13 at 11:49am
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Taping the bottom of the mouse is also a funny way to deal with the problem, it's nothing more than a stopgap that impacts other important sensor parameters.

taping is the way to go(if you do it right).
it does not alter what the sensor sees when the mouse sits down at all!
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If that is by design they don't have a clue what they are doing. You can't fix a 4,5mm lod with any colored mousepad... And most people (including me) don't want to open the mouse and void warranty to fix what should have been working from the start. Taping the bottom of the mouse is also a funny way to deal with the problem, it's nothing more than a stopgap that impacts other important sensor parameters.

Most people use a black colored mousepad, so this is the color that the mouse should work perfectly from the start.
Yes, most people do use black mouse pads. It's not like they have a lot of choice.

Black, from what I have seen, is the worse "color" to use for the sensor. This is why the older DeathAdder and Kana v2 have high LOD. When you have a surface that doesn't give the sensor enough light it will start to malfunction, to stop this they have a very bright LED and/or infrared LED. Due to the focal length of the standard lens the LOD is going up as a result.

With the combination of focal length, refraction angle, lens filter and LED, the Kingsis lens gives you super low LOD. When you take off the lens filter the LOD (on some pads) will go up to (maximum) ~2.5mm. The Zowie Mico doesn't have (if I remember correctly) this filter.

When you give the sensor the light it needs you will get the best performance it can give you. When you underexpose the image you will not get that. Meaning, the malfunction speed will be higher, which will satisfy those people who keep asking for more than 3.2m/s. It will also satisfy those that don't use a mouse pad. I assume this is why they have a high LOD, if that is the case, they know exactly what they are doing.

Using non clear tape is to decrease the intensity of the LED before it gets to the surface. As explained above, LOD will go down, but this could decrease performance as well. There maybe other ways to lower LOD without decreasing performance, but the easiest is the mouse pad. When I did the tape method I used clear tape and a black marker to "tune" the LOD without losing much (if any) performance.

I think the way Microsoft did the lens and shell was the best way to do it. I haven't seen anyone try to replicate that -- I have only seen them do some basic stuff.

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If an individual with his own investment like bst can execute normal lod with the same sensor I see no reason why a multi million dollar company like SteelSeries shouldn't be able to do the same. They are designing mice for gamers, but yet they keep releasing mice that have some flaws that are almost impossible to ignore.

4,5 mm lod is way too high, it will render the mouse completely useless for allot of gamers.
The other issue is they keep advertising on the box that its 2mm, somebody needs to put them in court and sue them for false advertising.
Maybe milk the profits they got from releasing mice with crappy internals like the Kana V1.

I thought Razer was the most annoying company when it comes to stuff like this, but I have to say they are starting to make good executions with the shapes they are working with. SteelSeries on the other hand is doing things worse.

Kinzu V2 which was supposed to be an improvement over the V1 turned out to be worse. The V1 kinzu despite the acceleration problems at least it had good lod, great coating, stable polling and was bearable once you got used to the accel. The Kinzu V2 ended up with much cheaper coating, terrible sensor, fake teflon feet, unstable polling rate, and broken lod. Not too mention the mouse wheel rattling.
From what I heard BST's mouse has the same LOD. That's how he achieves such high malfunction speed.

I think the packaging was a test batch. Some times factories will use the test batches for China sales to save money -- not throwing it away. They sale mice with a lot of mold flaws too...

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Well if popups' observations are accurate (I don't see why not), then a right color pad DOES fix 4,5 mm LOD well enough.
In a couple of days I can check how much it lowers the LOD. Some of my very old posts may have the measurements.
Edited by popups - 8/19/13 at 12:41pm
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I think BST's mouse has a LOD of 2.5mm. With 0.5mm mouse feet you would get 2mm which in my opinion is the perfect LOD.
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Offtopic: So a red mousepad, is the way to go on every mouse to lower LOD? Well when i had the savu i did the tape trick and the lod instantly decreased and for some reason accuracy was better (maybe placebo?) for ex. i didn't like to do the tape trick on DABE, for some reason tracking was a bit different (comparing with the double feet)
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