Overclock.net › Forums › Components › Mice › SteelSeries Kana v2 Review by Takasta - UPDATED White Version
New Posts  All Forums:Forum Nav:

SteelSeries Kana v2 Review by Takasta - UPDATED White Version - Page 8

post #71 of 846
I don't understand why they put the sensor position below the center of the mouse for 124mm length... That makes for very bad leverage, and 99% of everyone has an arc to their mouse movement regardless of how straight they think they move their mouse.

I seriously don't understand why people neglect proper sensor position, as it does affect your overall aim in the long run. Perhaps schools didn't teach arc/displacement maths in highschool or something? rolleyes.gif
Edited by Nilizum - 8/19/13 at 2:08pm
post #72 of 846
Comment (Click to show)
Quote:
Originally Posted by Snakesoul View Post

Offtopic: So a red mousepad, is the way to go on every mouse to lower LOD? Well when i had the savu i did the tape trick and the lod instantly decreased and for some reason accuracy was better (maybe placebo?) for ex. i didn't like to do the tape trick on DABE, for some reason tracking was a bit different (comparing with the double feet)
I don't have a red pad with me right now. So, I cannot say with absolute certainty as it's been awhile.

Isn't the opening/shell for the lens different for those two mice? Likely why...

Comment (Click to show)
Quote:
Originally Posted by Nilizum View Post

I don't understand why they put the sensor position below the center of the mouse for 124mm length... That makes for very bad leverage, and 99% of everyone has an arc to their mouse movement regardless of how straight they think they move their mouse.

I seriously don't understand why people neglect proper sensor position, as it does affect your overall aim in the long run. Perhaps schools didn't teach arc/displacement maths in highschool or something? rolleyes.gif
For a grip that relies on the arm for movement the further back the sensor is the easier it becomes to do straight lines.

If you use your wrist for movement then you may like to have the sensor further forward.

I want the sensor to be closer to my wrist as it better suits my style.
Edited by popups - 8/19/13 at 2:30pm
post #73 of 846
What? Please tell me your arm is connected to a mechanical rail or something, because my aim connected to my elbow moves in an arc... Having the sensor moved back doesn't affect vertical movement which is the jurisdiction of straight lines. What it DOES affect is displacement -- and in the case of the way Steelseries do their mouse -- it's inefficient.

I'm going to reiterate: Arcs.

Plus the added fact that the majority of users combine different intervals of arc movements, it gives an inconsistency -- case with the G500 by Logitech. For the way Steelseries do their mice, it's moving the mouse in arcs to have lower displacement, and moving the mouse as straight as you can for more displacement or leverage. If one really can keep the mouse straight 100% all times, then no problem, but that isn't the case for how human joints work.

Examples of mice with optimal sensor positions for their length*(length is another important factor in sensor placement as well): Logitech G400, Razer Deathadder, Razer Abyssus,(because of the type of butt it has hand placement on it gives proper arc displacement), Zowie EC1, Intellimouse 3.0...

You're right, it affects full arm users LESS (as pointed out in second paragraph), but the effect is still there.

CREATOR: gd-jpeg v1.0 (using IJG JPEG v62), quality = 95

If the sensor position were at the blue dot, then that would be very optimal and mouse movements relative to hand movements will be more consistent
Edited by Nilizum - 8/19/13 at 3:16pm
post #74 of 846
Quote:
Originally Posted by Snakesoul View Post

Offtopic: So a red mousepad, is the way to go on every mouse to lower LOD? Well when i had the savu i did the tape trick and the lod instantly decreased and for some reason accuracy was better (maybe placebo?) for ex. i didn't like to do the tape trick on DABE, for some reason tracking was a bit different (comparing with the double feet)

White, Pink, or anything light will also work.
Quote:
Originally Posted by Skar View Post

I hate to say it but steelseries is not to blame for it - besides picking up the sensor and wanting to ensure that it is not too picky about surface.

Reiterating above; There's two sides to the picture.

You can also open the door for unnecessary issues if purposely modified.
Edited by Skylit - 8/19/13 at 3:16pm
post #75 of 846
Quote:
Originally Posted by Nilizum View Post

I don't understand why they put the sensor position below the center of the mouse for 124mm length... That makes for very bad leverage, and 99% of everyone has an arc to their mouse movement regardless of how straight they think they move their mouse.

I seriously don't understand why people neglect proper sensor position, as it does affect your overall aim in the long run. Perhaps schools didn't teach arc/displacement maths in highschool or something? rolleyes.gif

What are mice that have proper placement ? I'm interested in trying one to see if it makes a difference.
W3520INDAHOUSE
(13 items)
 
  
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
W3520 3945A906 X58A-UD7 Passive 9800GT 1GB 6x2GB Ripjaws 2000 CL9 
Hard DriveOSMonitorKeyboard
X25MG2 80GB Win7 Pro 64-bit NEC 2490WUXi2 LITE-ON SK-1788 
PowerCaseMouseMouse Pad
Seasonic X750 ATCS 840 Logitech Mini Optical Razer Goliathus Speed 
  hide details  
Reply
W3520INDAHOUSE
(13 items)
 
  
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
W3520 3945A906 X58A-UD7 Passive 9800GT 1GB 6x2GB Ripjaws 2000 CL9 
Hard DriveOSMonitorKeyboard
X25MG2 80GB Win7 Pro 64-bit NEC 2490WUXi2 LITE-ON SK-1788 
PowerCaseMouseMouse Pad
Seasonic X750 ATCS 840 Logitech Mini Optical Razer Goliathus Speed 
  hide details  
Reply
post #76 of 846
I've listed some in my post. Maybe I didn't edit it in time for you to see, but those listed are very optimal relative to shape and mouse length. thumb.gif
post #77 of 846
Comment (Click to show)
Quote:
Originally Posted by Nilizum View Post

What? Please tell me your arm is connected to a mechanical rail or something, because my aim connected to my elbow moves in an arc... Having the sensor moved back doesn't affect vertical movement which is the jurisdiction of straight lines. What it DOES affect is displacement -- and in the case of the way Steelseries do their mouse -- it's inefficient.

I'm going to reiterate: Arcs.

Plus the added fact that the majority of users combine different intervals of arc movements, it gives an inconsistency -- case with the G500 by Logitech. For the way Steelseries do their mice, it's moving the mouse in arcs to have lower displacement, and moving the mouse as straight as you can for more displacement or leverage. If one really can keep the mouse straight 100% all times, then no problem, but that isn't the case for how human joints work.

Examples of mice with optimal sensor positions for their length*(length is another important factor in sensor placement as well): Logitech G400, Razer Deathadder, Razer Abyssus,(because of the type of butt it has hand placement on it gives proper arc displacement), Zowie EC1...

You're right, it affects full arm users LESS (as pointed out in second paragraph), but the effect is still there.

If the sensor position were at the blue dot, then that would be very optimal and mouse movements relative to hand movements will be more consistent
The varying angles of your wrist during swiping adds input to the Y-axis. Since the sensor in the Kana is closer to the wrist it decreases the likelihood/severity of deviation from the X-axis when you swipe by decreasing the arc from the wrist. When you place the sensor further forward the same wrist movement equates to more Y-axis input -- increasing the difficulty of maintaining a straight line (left to right) when swiping with the arm. The result is a angled line or a wavy one. Then again, it is only a small difference to mean to much. This is what I think at least -- I may be wrong...

If you use your wrist for horizontal movement it is better to have the sensor forward because you get more travel for the same movement.

For a fingertip grip, that nudges the mouse with the fingers in all directions, it is best the sensor is in the middle. This way you can get equal travel in every direction.

There is advantages/disadvantages using either. The "best" thing to do is to compromise by placing the sensor in the center.

When I hold a mouse I try to get the sensor as close to my wrist as possible. Another reason I prefer ambidextrous mice. It's likely I will prefer the sensor placement of the Kana over the AM/FK.
Edited by popups - 8/19/13 at 10:00pm
post #78 of 846
Quote:
Originally Posted by Oeshon View Post

4,5 mm lod is way too high, it will render the mouse completely useless for allot of gamers.
While it is to high for some gamers, I couldn't care less as I barely ever lift my mouse because of my sensitivity, players like f0rest, GeT_RiGhT etc wont have any problems, neither will Quake players due to this so I'm set, unlucky for you matey.
post #79 of 846
Great review and I applaud you for showing your hand size and grip style. Anyway, I hated the original Kana. Nice to see they are fixing the flaws which for me was the tracking. The mouse size was perfect for smaller handed gamers but the tracking killed it for me. I'll probably pick one up on sale down the road but for now I'll stick to my Roccat Savu which I believe uses the same sensor. The only negative I can give it after months of use is I wish it had a dedicated switch for dpi. You have to assign this feature to one of your buttons.
post #80 of 846
Quote:
Originally Posted by popups View Post

I think the LOD will be fine when you use it on a red or white mouse pad. This way you retain the performance. Adding tape or stacking mouse feet takes away from performance. I use a red Hien for this reason. I actually don't like the Hien, but for the sake of performance I use it.
It's my understanding that the tape fix only affects the light path, and doesn't decrease the illumination when the mouse is set down. Is that wrong?

On my Savu (same awful default LOD) I managed to get it <2cds, and I can't even hit the negaccel point in outerspace logger. Haven't noticed any differences in tracking at 800dpi either, although tbf I don't use my Savu much.
New Posts  All Forums:Forum Nav:
  Return Home
  Back to Forum: Mice
Overclock.net › Forums › Components › Mice › SteelSeries Kana v2 Review by Takasta - UPDATED White Version