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Hey all,

as you can see in the title i have some problems with my laptop.
i've got a Acer Aspire 6930 with a Nvidia 9600m GT in it, but somehow it keeps lagging with almost everything.
i can't even play Team Fortress 2 on all low...
while when this laptop had windows 7 it ran flawless.

some other strange things are that i can't overclock the card, not with Nvclock and not with the Coolbits part.
whenever i set a higher clock speed is says: failed to set clock frequencies.

i already have the latest drivers installed from Nvidia's site and all libs are present and updated.
so can anyone explain to me why it won't work like it should, and how i can fix this?
thanx in advance thumb.gif
Edited by Psycho666 - 8/21/13 at 3:16am
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From my experience with Nvidia, it could be a mesa conflict which I remember caused all 3d applications to go painfully slow. I don' t know how to fix it but maybe start by removing mesa. It has been so long since I have had to deal with Nvidia, I really don't have much advice to give.

Could also be libGL, maybe... I really don't know.

Also, you shouldn't install the drivers from Nvidia's site. Fedora probably provides slightly older, but fully working drivers that work out any conflicts when you install them. Installing Nvidia's driver with their binary installer can create many issues that can easily be solved by avoiding it all together.
Edited by Rothen - 8/19/13 at 12:46pm
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Going off of Rothen's suggestion....did the OP uninstall the nouveau drivers? IIRC Fedora includes them and they have to be purged for the closed source drivers to work. Again this should be covered by a distro supplied script or package.
     
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From my experience with Nvidia, it could be a mesa conflict which I remember caused all 3d applications to go painfully slow. I don' t know how to fix it but maybe start by removing mesa. It has been so long since I have had to deal with Nvidia, I really don't have much advice to give.

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Also, you shouldn't install the drivers from Nvidia's site. Fedora probably provides slightly older, but fully working drivers that work out any conflicts when you install them. Installing Nvidia's driver with their binary installer can create many issues that can easily be solved by avoiding it all together.

ok i never thought about that...maybe i' ll just try and remove the latest drivers then and update through fedora repo's. thumb.gif

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Originally Posted by Rookie1337 View Post

Going off of Rothen's suggestion....did the OP uninstall the nouveau drivers? IIRC Fedora includes them and they have to be purged for the closed source drivers to work. Again this should be covered by a distro supplied script or package.

yes all nouveau drivers were removed and everything was checked twice thumb.gif
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nouveau doesn't have to be removed, you should be able to stop it at boot. Another good tip with Fedora is if you use EXT4 remove the initrid or whatever, they build the kernels with EXT4 support in the kernel. So if you use a kernel boot param to block it and have the initrid removed (or is it initrd? always make that mistake) it will be blocked.

You shouldn't have to have the repo drivers done but I believe support for those cards stopped after a certain version. So the repo drivers might be the best option? Not sure. I think it's like 2XX is where the 8XXX/9XXX support stops.
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nouveau doesn't have to be removed, you should be able to stop it at boot. Another good tip with Fedora is if you use EXT4 remove the initrid or whatever, they build the kernels with EXT4 support in the kernel. So if you use a kernel boot param to block it and have the initrid removed (or is it initrd? always make that mistake) it will be blocked.

You shouldn't have to have the repo drivers done but I believe support for those cards stopped after a certain version. So the repo drivers might be the best option? Not sure. I think it's like 2XX is where the 8XXX/9XXX support stops.

from the repo's i can get 304 drivers, and now it even has 325 drivers.
those are installed now but i still can't overclock anything thinking.gif
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from the repo's i can get 304 drivers, and now it even has 325 drivers.
those are installed now but i still can't overclock anything thinking.gif

Yeah, I was talking "offical" support. Meaning, that's where you will see any last improvements. I think Nvidia still allows the new drivers to run the old cards, you just don't get any benefits. I dunno though, stopped using my 8800GT a long time ago and gave it to a friend.

As for overclocking, I always did that via bios modification and it worked rather well. So you can always go that route, it's real easy too.
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Yeah, I was talking "offical" support. Meaning, that's where you will see any last improvements. I think Nvidia still allows the new drivers to run the old cards, you just don't get any benefits. I dunno though, stopped using my 8800GT a long time ago and gave it to a friend.

As for overclocking, I always did that via bios modification and it worked rather well. So you can always go that route, it's real easy too.

yeah i know about the bios flashing and stuff, but software overclocking is still easier to test the clocks with since i have no idea what the stable overclock would be on this chip thumb.gif
but if i can't find any alternative i guess i' ll have to either flash the bios and hope for the best, or install windows and test overclock speeds first wth.gif
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yeah i know about the bios flashing and stuff, but software overclocking is still easier to test the clocks with since i have no idea what the stable overclock would be on this chip thumb.gif
but if i can't find any alternative i guess i' ll have to either flash the bios and hope for the best, or install windows and test overclock speeds first wth.gif

That's what I did, use windows to find my most stable and every once in a while tweak off that. You could also just do minimal clock jumps, flashing doesn't take too long. I used the FreeDOS or Windows (win flasher works nice last I remember). I don't remember but I swear linux had coolbits settings for clocking on some of the older drivers/cards. Might want to read up on that.

Personally, I do bios as I hate adjusting stuff time and time again. I found the best decent clock and stuck with it, no hassle after that.

ftp://download.nvidia.com/XFree86/Linux-x86/295.75/README/xconfigoptions.html

Search for coolbits, don't know if the new drivers work as well or not. I do know the 295's work with the 8800/9800 series cards.
Edited by mushroomboy - 8/20/13 at 9:32pm
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i already tried coolbits, and nvclock, but they don't accept any overclock settings.
i said that in the OP wink.gif
but i can't install windows very easily on this laptop...i've set fedora to use both harddisks for a software raid-0 so if i use anything for windows it' ll destroy the raid doh.gif
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16 Gb G-Skill Ripjaws 2133Mhz Samsung SSD830 Samsung Spinpoint F3  Samsung SSD840 
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Heatkiller 3.0 Windows 10 Pro Acer P241W Acer P246H 
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Logitech G15 v2 Be Quiet Dark Power Pro 1200w Silverstone TJ-07BW Roccat Kone XTD 
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Roccat Raivo Asus D2X 480mm Swiftech radiator Liang Li D5 Vario pump 
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Intel E6750 Asus Maximus II Formula HD 6350 4Gb Mushkin Enhanced 1002Mhz 
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2x WD Caviar Black 500Gb in Raid-0 OCZ Vendetta Windows 8 pro Samsung 40" lcd tv 
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Galaxy S3 Thermaltake Toughpower 750w MS-Tech 300 Galaxy S3 
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Through AMD HD6350 
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Intel D525 Foxconn D52s Intel GMA3150 2Gb Corsair XMS2 800Mhz 
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Seagate 160Gb SataII Windows 8 Developer Preview Chieftec 350w Xbox360 case 
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