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Just about every single AIO cooler on the market beats every single Air Cooler on the market, just because this cooler is full of marketing gimmicks and is no better than most of them on the market doesn't mean you can go around spewing completely absurd biased fan boy crap that ignores the facts because they offend your beliefs. thumb.gif

Also, please don't go posting the context based reviews showing measly 4.3-4.4GHz overclocks and that the bestest best Noctua cooler can keep up with an H80i, no one cares. People who are into overclocking go beyond 4.5GHz... and are actually worried about temps that could otherwise be handled by a CM Hyper 212... rolleyes.gif

But it is true that most of the AIO on the market are beaten or matched by air coolers of a lower price bracket while typically being more quiet. Only a few select AIO are actually worth the price hike and even then, real custom waterloops are just around the corner of these certain AIO. The only advantages I see from AIO units are the aesthetics and the compatibility with tall RAM.

Its not really nice to call others fanboys when you're defending your own setup. Plus if you're talking about big overclocks why would you gimp yourself with an AIO? Gotta go big water or even phase change! tongue.gif
    
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post #42 of 139
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Seams you are quite un-informed. Even an H100 (that's an dual rad by the way) has an hard time matching the top of the line Air coolers. An Silver Arrow SB-E Extreme is cooler, quieter and cost less money then a H100. AIO's have some uses in cramped HTPC but that's about it.

The only AIO I have any amount of respect for is the Swiftech H220 and if you are really serious about high OC's then you should be looking at custom WC loops.

let's see, are you saying that coolers like this is a crap?





because it can't exceed the performance of this?


Edited by ghostrider85 - 8/20/13 at 4:34am
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But it is true that most of the AIO on the market are beaten or matched by air coolers of a lower price bracket while typically being more quiet. Only a few select AIO are actually worth the price hike and even then, real custom waterloops are just around the corner of these certain AIO. The only advantages I see from AIO units are the aesthetics and the compatibility with tall RAM.

Its not really nice to call others fanboys when you're defending your own setup. Plus if you're talking about big overclocks why would you gimp yourself with an AIO? Gotta go big water or even phase change! tongue.gif

Depends on the build and what you want to achieve. AIO are great for tight spaces and RAM clearance, where high-end air coolers are very heavy and large. You sacrifice a bit of performance, but still good enough to get a decent overclock.
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let's see, are you saying that coolers like this is a crap?





because it can't exceed the performance of this?


I'm saying that it makes little sense to get this



When you can have this that has both better performance and costs less.



And for the record I did not call the H100/100i crap. I called the Zalman Reserator 3 crap.
Edited by Bit_reaper - 8/20/13 at 4:48am
    
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Depends on the build and what you want to achieve. AIO are great for tight spaces and RAM clearance, where high-end air coolers are very heavy and large. You sacrifice a bit of performance, but still good enough to get a decent overclock.

Definitely true, though it's not as common to see SFF builds (compared to bigger cases) and even then, there are low-profile aircoolers that would perform the same for a lot less money while being more quiet.

I'm not new to AIO, I've personally used them before I went custom water and I've had friends/coworkers who use them as well. It just doesn't compare to air coolers when the budget is tight and the space is there. Even for a somewhat spacious ITX-case like the Bitfenix Prodigy, the giant air coolers can dominate in sound profiles compared to my own custom waterloop.

There is just no avoiding the mounting of rads/fans where the case will cause air turbulence (more noise) due to fan grills or dust filters. With air coolers, they do not face this noise limitation, simple as that.
    
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I'm saying that it makes little sense to get this



When you can have this that has both better performance and costs less.



And for the record I did not call the H100/100i crap. I called the Zalman Reserator 3 crap.

AFAIK the H100i and h110 is better than the silver arrow.
well, why don't we just agree that we have different preferences, some people hate large tower coolers because it blocks everything, some people doesn't care spending a little bit more money for better aestethics and for ease of access, performance is not everything for some people.
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Definitely true, though it's not as common to see SFF builds (compared to bigger cases) and even then, there are low-profile aircoolers that would perform the same for a lot less money while being more quiet.

I'm not new to AIO, I've personally used them before I went custom water and I've had friends/coworkers who use them as well. It just doesn't compare to air coolers when the budget is tight and the space is there. Even for a somewhat spacious ITX-case like the Bitfenix Prodigy, the giant air coolers can dominate in sound profiles compared to my own custom waterloop.

There is just no avoiding the mounting of rads/fans where the case will cause air turbulence (more noise) due to fan grills or dust filters. With air coolers, they do not face this noise limitation, simple as that.

There is no air cooler that would have fit in my case and performed as well as the H60, I've done a lot of research as I didn't want to get a AIO.
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AFAIK the H100i and h110 is better than the silver arrow.
well, why don't we just agree that we have different preferences, some people hate large tower coolers because it blocks everything, some people doesn't care spending a little bit more money for better aestethics and for ease of access, performance is not everything for some people.


Well the H100i isn't really much better then the H100. The H100i is just about equal to an Sliver Arrow Extreme in both noise (perhaps a bit louder) and cooling. The H110 is able to pull a bit ahead of the Sliver Arrow Extreme but then again the 280mm radiator limits the cases that it can be fitted to. The there is the Kraken X60 (also an 280) that is a bit better then the H110 and the H220 (a 240 rad) is better then all the above and is pretty much equal to some of the better WC kits. Just goes to show how a good brass radiator is superior to the aluminium rads in the H110 and Kraken x60.

Looks are subjective so is someone wants to get an AIO because they think it looks cool then that's their prerogative.
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I'm semi-interested. Looks cool and from the benchmark it does preform. All depends on the price.
post #50 of 139
Looks like it has good potential on being an AIO for GPU cooling smile.gif The bracket looks bulky and large and has lots of room for modding and making extra holes... maybe enough room to fit the holes of a graphics card PCB. rolleyes.gif
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