Originally Posted by B NEGATIVE
TTL did that as a troll video,check on OC3D if you dont believe me.
You still dont get it.....
You have just proven how little you know if you thought that would actually work.........
Static pressure is nothing if the dissipation surface is poor,you say there is not much difference,6c is a lot of difference. Especially as the custom kit had half the fans and is optimized for silent running.
If it was mean't to be a "troll video" and everything is a blatant lie, then why doesn't he post the real numbers. So when people see that the numbers are actually quite ridiculous, and instead of double trolling pretending like that setup wouldn't do anything to the temperatures he shows the real results of what a setup would do. Static pressure is very important, again, you want to see my temperatures then ask me what you want me to run. I will be more than willing to run them. Whether this guy was trolling or not, he's evading the facts that the setup that was supposed to be considered a troll gag video would actually be quite efficient in lowering the temperatures substantially. I got more than 6-7 degrees just by switching my fans, but you want to go back on other forums and claim that adding Delta's to an H100 doesn't do anything. Then you want to contradict that by saying 6-7 degrees isn't a lot.
I find it hard to believe that adding that many fans wouldn't lower the temperatures drastically, anyone believing it was a troll video is just being swindled by a group of people with an agenda. Show me the real numbers then, the numbers that are still going to be amazing. Because anyone with common sense can tell you that the amount of static pressure created by that setup will greatly reduce temperatures. If I'm getting more than 7 degree temperature drops with fans that have static pressure of 12mmH20 in Push/Pull, then obviously 40 fans with a static pressure of about 2.0mmH20 are going to drastically improve performance numbers as well. Anyone who believes this was a troll imagination gag video has no brain of their own to think about what the actually results STILL would be if it were properly tested. Which doesn't make sense to go into all of that effort, and not even post the legitimate numbers. Like I believe that for a second.
Originally Posted by G3RG
BiG StroOnZ, I'd be willing to bet my low end custom loop both out performs your H100 and stays quieter at full load. And that's with a gpu in the loop. Unfortunately as we have different hardware, we can't really compare. I can say though that my rig is quieter than the airvent in the ceiling, and that's at full load (folding) at 4.8ghz and 1360mhz on the 670.
And you keep referring to how amazing your deltas are... but fail to remember or realize(?) that they also happen to fit on custom loops too.
And this is all coming from the person that has historically defended AIO coolers. Sadly it appears there are fools on both sides...
My setup is very loud, especially when fans are at full speed. I'm not so sure about it outperforming my setup though, it will probably be quieter though. Since we have different hardware it wouldn't be worth testing. Although, if you want to see some numbers on my setup ask me what you want me to run.
I know Delta's fit on custom loops, but generally people who are concerned with custom loops are often also concerned with loudness of setup and appearance as well. Which is why you don't see it. I don't disagree that custom loops are superior, but it's like the difference between a person who buys a sports car to drive in and takes it to a dealer to be maintained and a person who builds a muscle car themselves and does all maintenance on their own. Both are good options, but one is a niche lifestyle product.
Originally Posted by B NEGATIVE
And my GPU's are cooler and have no blower noise. While keeping everything cool,not just the CPU.
Sometimes performance is not the sole reason for water cooling.
All of which is irrelevant,Stroonz made silly comments strictly based on performance,not fan noise or user friendliness.
In my instance,watercooling is a necessity,the SR2 is unusable without it. AIO's are great but dont perform like a proper custom loop,no matter what fans you strap to it.
Lets touch on reliability,AIOs just aren't....pump fails are common,leaks are common and,unless you went Corsair,,no recourse when it goes tits up.
Custom means higher grade of components and if assembled correctly,much more robust construction.
I made comments based on my experience, as you made comments based on your experience. Although, you do have much more maintenance to keep up on than I do. These are the trade-offs people make and base their choices on. The expandability of a custom loop does make it have a better chance of offering more performance, and of course how quiet it can be. However, these are specific traits of a product that you consider valuable. Whereas others may not be concerned with how loud it might be, or how you can use higher quality parts or change the color of your fluid or have it match your case or be able to add a GPU loop or use the quietest fans in the world but still get better sound to performance levels than an AIO. These are all values that you consider worthwhile, however they are all niche aspects of a custom loop that you consider valuable. Other people may not be interested in those aspects, which is why they simply rather go with an AIO unit.
Originally Posted by M3TAl
I can't believe he posted that video
Made my day with that one
I use AIO's over air for the look as well as not having a huge chunk of metal hanging off the board. With stock fans they're annoyingly loud, upgrading to quieter/better performing fans is an absolute must for me.
No doubt custom water is way better in every aspect except
cost and time; although a well thought out loop can be had for close to the cost of a top tier AIO. A true enthusiast shouldn't have a problem with the time and amount of care involved, similar to the way gear heads spend hours in their garage working on (making love to?
) their car. Building, tweaking, and testing is half the fun IMO.
You can get better temps on custom water with fans at ~800 RPM than an AIO running full blast. Or if you want to obliterate an AIO fine, throw Deltas on it and enjoy the jet engine/lawn mower in the room.
The video, whether or not is "fake" is irrelevant. What is relevant is what those damn temperatures would look like if we actually got to see the REAL results. I severely doubt the temperatures would be unaffected or in any scenario be worse than simply Push/Pull. Are we every going to see what that amount of static pressure would do to an AIO unit, yes, you can by adding higher static pressure fans yourself and seeing temps drop in the seven degree range as I have. However, the amount of static pressure he is creating is way over 20 mmH20. Denying the real results to the viewer is kind of interesting, it's almost as if the results were good but instead of posting them he decided to pretend it was fake to cover up something. Sorry, but I don't believe it in any sense. From a scientific standpoint, it seems kind of pointless to go through all that work and then at the last minute say, "oh hey, this is fake, the numbers are fake, got you." Sorry, I don't buy the crap for a second.
As said previously, there are pros and cons to both setups. However, what people are failing to see is the evolution of the AIO cooler. They are getting better, temps are getting lower, there are products that offer expandability. This is only going to get better in time. Performance will be better. They will also get quieter and still provide great numbers. This concept at least in full effect is relatively new. Custom loops have been around for ages. You are going to see in the next couple of years AIO units making a huge leap in performance. Does it mean custom loops will be rendered obsolete? Not necessarily but it does mean it will become more and more of a niche offering because of what AIO units are going to be able to do. People are reading what I'm saying as if I'm completely discounting custom loops as useless, which never had been said. It's quite a common fact that they are superior in many ways, however they are not for everybody...
Anyone who wants to see my numbers, or go onto other forums claiming "static pressure is nonsense," "can't believe this person thinks Delta's on an AIO will change anything," "he used that video as a demonstration of static pressure possibilities, but it's fake, LOLz" then I ask you this.
Tell me what benchmarks or stress tests you want me to run up to 1.52v and up to 5.2GHz and I will gladly oblige with results and numbers. That video may be bogus, but the science behind it is surely not...Edited by BiG StroOnZ - 8/27/13 at 12:08pm