Originally Posted by Cheezman
Anyone who is planning such an elaborate attack is not going to be stupid enough to use methods of communication that can be easily tracked like e-mail or cellphone calls, and in the event that they do, it will be in some sort of code that won't stand out to the NSA/CIA/FBI.
Like how the terrorists who planned 9/11 used photos with hidden messages in them. Messages, that even when found
, would only make sense to the person receiving it, since their meaning was predetermined in person before hand.
The examples I am about to provide are public knowledge of bioterrorists. They were mostly before the year 2000.
Ma Anand Sheela - I assume you've never heard of this young lady. She is 63. She was the secretary of a man named Bhagwan Shree Rajneesh who was a professor philosophy. He taught a very pro love pro acceptance philosophy called Rajneeshpuram that met with quite a bit of backlash in the 1970s and 1980s.
The attack: read for yourself
6 members of the Aum Shinrikyo group - Ikuo Hayashi, Kenichi Hirose, Toru Toyoda, Katsuya Takahashi, Masato Yokoyama, Yasuo Hayashi launched a chemical attack in 1995 on the Tokyo Subway. Each perpetrator carried two packets totaling approximately 900 millilitres of sarin, except Yasuo Hayashi, who carried three bags. Aum originally planned to spread the sarin as an aerosol but did not follow through with it. Hospitals saw 5,510 patients, seventeen of whom were deemed critical, thirty-seven severe and 984 moderately ill with vision problems. We got very lucky in '95.
Now those are very unorganized and low tech chemical attacks. Imagine someone that knows what the hell they're doing. Most people do not even know of the 1984 event in Oregon. The two places you are most vulnerable are your food and water supply and they are also the easiest to contaminate with bio and chemical agents. So the next time you drink a glass of water make sure to think about your privacy.
I also think it's worth mentioning that we somehow managed to track Bin Laden down even though he was EXTREMELY careful about his communications. So for what it's worth, we can get these guys and stop them. You aren't giving our intelligence analysts near enough credit.EDIT--- For everyone participating
I also would like to thank everyone involved in the discussion. This has been civil, intelligent, and frankly ENJOYABLE. I don't care if we disagree. We're all human and it's nice to see people making points opposite of mine who can do so without regarding personal attacks. I find it interesting that a debate about processors or graphics cards never goes this well. We're talking about serious stuff here (I believe privacy is a serious concern as are our lives) and there have been no resorts to petty personal attacks or name calling. BRAVO OCN
Originally Posted by gsa700
The problem with everything you just said, is that is sidesteps the process of LAW we have in this nation.
Who get's to decide how far we go to combat an enemy? Is it the counsel and decision of ALL of us? Or just a few directors whose names we can't know because of "national Security"?
The American People don't expect to be briefed in the media about every op the NSA-CIA are running, but we have a right to expect that what they are doing, is done according to law.
Sorry GSA we must have been posting at the same time. I do see your point here. I am going to make a very weak argument here because, to be honest, yours is pretty strong. Is US constitutional law world jurisdiction or just in the US? I ask ... is it ok for us to spy on everyone else but not within our own borders? Is there a grey area?Edited by Darkpriest667 - 8/26/13 at 7:14pm