Originally Posted by phill1978
Ok, you made your point and I can see that at least you acknowledge you upbringing has brought you to this point so it wold be futile to argue as you are entrenched in your view as am I. As for being aristocratic I think you would always find that it is they who would send the troops but never step into battle. I am not one of those people, but the fight has to be worth dieing for so I think we have some common ground. In the context of this conversation and thread where by a multibillion dollar spy network is created to monitor its citizens, the hypothetical fight is against your own people and to stand against it is treason?
This doesn't make any sense, so I have to assume you think the US is permanently under threat from some kind of evil ? perhaps china..the biggest international trade partners of the US ? Pretty much friends diplomatically.
Yes, I'd say I'm a hair bit set in my ways... but then again, a lot of people are, and not even that, but a lot of this I could have abandoned over the years, and I simply choose not to because I have seen what I need to back up my continuing belief, one way or another.
To gather against our own people? Why's that wrong, when homegrown terrorism is alive and well in this world (read: U.S.) today. Anyway, the collection and analysis of communications sent out over PUBLICLY OWNED lines of communication... That's what people are upset about? Hmm. I never once assumed anything that I freely shove into the ether is private, but whatever used to float one's boat, I guess...
And to the end, I say: Everyone, everywhere, throughout all time, since life began, has been under threat from something sinister.
Whither or not one is a person of faith and believes it's the "devil", or a scientist who believes entropy will consume us all (because it will), there is something that means to destroy us.
Reasoning: If entropy works in nature and the universe around us, why can it not also operate within the minds of man, and humanity as a whole?
By that alone, I can instantly justify continuing this type of operation, simply to adjust for the ever-increasing growth of the degenerate nature of man.
Originally Posted by phill1978
Lets get to brass tacks here:
The US is economically screwed http://www.brillig.com/debt_clock/
The fear is civil unrest . war if the currency is globally devalued and means nothing. And so there is a move to take guns away from the citizens and monitor for groups / pockets of unrest.
Meanwhile the only answer a corporate war mongering regime has to financial problems is to create more war to sell weapons to gain resources and more power.. so another war is going to happen, thus further justifying spy networks and the general militarization of public life.
Yeah, I don't disagree that the world is going to "hell in a hand basket", and it's not just the U.S. by any stretch, so don't stop there...Note
: Let's not at ALL bring up guns / gun control / gun advocacy here in this thread. We'll get it locked so fast we can't even hit refresh and catch it.
Weapons? Power? For the purpose of remaining strong? Maybe the pencil-pushers should have let people with more brains take the reins and not waste money on projects that don't need a bit of a second thought.
Maybe the ones that needed
funding should have received it, and not been left to the wayside.
And I'm the wrong
person to try and argue against the militarization of daily life; I'm all on board the idea that every single young person, fit or able, should be required to undergo the equivalent of Basic Training and some form of defense & protection training.
I won't go so far as to say all should have a minimum service requirement, because frankly, there were folks IN the military that didn't want to be there. Imagine being forced to work with a bunch of shrooms-for-brains kids who hate everything they're being asked to do? Nah.
War does not need to be created by any "overlord" in a task room in the White House. Wars will fester all by themselves, and when it's time for help, no one else ever bothers to answer. Call that "Cowboy Diplomacy" or not, but it's the bare truth.
Thanks - T