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lol this is it? 2% perf increase? so we can call this i74930KFaildozer?
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this is good for AMD... i dont know u guys but AMD will dominate the market in 2014...


Face -> Meet Palm. AMD is so far behind the high end enthusiast socket it isn't even funny. That is pretty well known. ANd they've already said multiple times they have no plans on competing with Intel's high end.

Also:

The 4930k was never about getting "10% over SB-e". Is that what everyone wanted? Yeah. Is that an over-expectation like what this community does on almost everything? Yup.

IvBe is purely there to have something new, and to provide a much stronger IMC. Its not meant to be a replacement for anyone who has a 3930k/3960X/3970X. Its also there for those who do stuff like extreme LN2 benching as a hobby. Since IvB's threshold is considerably higher than SB.

Every chip has its uses, and people over-expect what a chip is going to be, and then fall for disappointment when they find out it doesn't meet their insanely high expectations that they've been running through their mind all the time.
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As far as Haswell-E having 8 cores, myself and a lot of others are beyond willing to bet that only the Extreme Edition CPU will have 8 cores. While that of course means if you want 8 cores get ready to shell out a grand, the upshot might be that the entry level CPU for Haswell-E might end up being a 6-core CPU. Pure speculation of course, but it's something to be hopeful for.

One 8-Core suffix -X and two 6-Core suffix -Ks does seem more likely. Just hoping stock speeds get a big boost across the entire line with HW-E.
    
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One 8-Core suffix -X and two 6-Core suffix -Ks does seem more likely. Just hoping stock core speeds get a big boost across the entire line with HW-E.

Well with SB-E ->IvB-E we're seeing the following:

3820 to 4820K goes from partially unlocked 3.6 stock/3.9 boost to fully unlocked 3.7 stock/ 3.9 boost

3930K to 4930K, from 3.2 stock /3.8 boost to 3.4 stock /3.9 boost

3960X to 4960X, from 3.3 stock /3.9 boost to 3.6 stock /4.0 boost

I think that even though it will likely only be a jump of 0.2 or 0.3 GHz faster to Haswell-E, the same as it is from SB-e to IvB-E... combine that with Haswell-E's move up to native DDR4 support and a brand new chipset, yeah, it should be a significant jump in performance...
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Maybe I should just stick with my Q9550 until Haswell-E. Wow, this thing is getting ancient. This October I will have had it for five years. They say haswell-e is due in 2014 but who knows considering ivy bridge-e is coming out nearly two years after sandy bridge-e. I wish I bought a 3930K back in 2011.
 
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lol this is it? 2% perf increase? so we can call this i74930KFaildozer?
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this is good for AMD... i dont know u guys but AMD will dominate the market in 2014...

well, it could be comparable to bulldozer if:

1) it was a die shrink with no improvement in power consumption or TDP
2) brought lower ipc than it's predecessor


otherwise it's just another intel baby step like we saw in 2012. as for 2014 belonging to AMD, they have only APU (which isn't useful for everyone) and the FX 9370 and FX9590 which are a waste of extra cash as they don't clock better than the FX 8350. IBB-E is dead boring, but it won't change the immediate course of the company's desktop future for the worse.
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Yeah, 1% improvement over the last gen, and a smokescreen called "SSD Overclocking". Um, no thanks.

THIS is what happens when you have no competition.

Intel has plenty of competition in the SSD space, but yes, SSD overclocking is pretty irrelevant.

There is far more than a 1% improvement in the primary target market for Ivy Bridge-E(P). The consumer market for LGA-2011 parts has always been an afterthought.

Performance per watt is significantly higher and you can get up to 50% more cores, both of these are huge deals for the primary market.
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lol this is it? 2% perf increase? so we can call this i74930KFaildozer?
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this is good for AMD... i dont know u guys but AMD will dominate the market in 2014...

Not sure how you came to these conclusions.
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Maybe I should just stick with my Q9550 until Haswell-E. Wow, this thing is getting ancient. This October I will have had it for five years. They say haswell-e is due in 2014 but who knows considering ivy bridge-e is coming out nearly two years after sandy bridge-e. I wish I bought a 3930K back in 2011.

Buy a used 3930K when the 4930K drops, should be able to snag one for sub-400 if you look around.
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Intel has plenty of competition in the SSD space, but yes, SSD overclocking is pretty irrelevant.

There is far more than a 1% improvement in the primary target market for Ivy Bridge-E(P). The consumer market for LGA-2011 parts has always been an afterthought.

Performance per watt is significantly higher and you can get up to 50% more cores, both of these are huge deals for the primary market.
Not sure how you came to these conclusions.
Buy a used 3930K when the 4930K drops, should be able to snag one for sub-400 if you look around.

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AMD will dominate because of this

**AMD per share is growing.
**NExt gen Console ALL ARE AMD.
**AMD architecture is going to be utilized better.
**Macpro is being Equip with Firepro GPUs.
**APUs are selling well.
**Next AMD GPU is going to destroy Nvidias counter part.
**Most of new games are going to be AMD Gaming Evolved.

thats why
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AMD will dominate because of this

**AMD per share is growing.
**NExt gen Console ALL ARE AMD.
**AMD architecture is going to be utilized better.
**Macpro is being Equip with Firepro GPUs.
**APUs are selling well.
**Next AMD GPU is going to destroy Nvidias counter part.
**Most of new games are going to be AMD Gaming Evolved.

thats why
That doesn't say anytihng. and Nvidia's new chip they have in developement is going to change visual effects as we know it so you can leave them out of this.

you keep saying all this stuff that actually proves you wrong...
**NExt gen Console ALL ARE AMD.
**AMD architecture is going to be utilized better.
**Macpro is being Equip with Firepro GPUs.
**APUs are selling well.

All this points to amd going into the APU field and ditching their consumer 8core market.
Amd will focus on its server cpus as always and relocate their consumer performance division's resources to apus.

also even games that are amd evovled perform better on intell. And amd's actually sli better than they crossfire so even amd evolved gaming doesn't compete with nvidia.

Also intel's moved their best engineers to ARM division to produce project silverright which is gonna be intel's pads destroying amd desktops
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**AMD per share is growing.

per share value increasing doesn't say anything about AMD dominating. It just means that investors have more trust in them. Besides the share prices have been about stable since may, on a slight decreasing trend since the end of June.
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**NExt gen Console ALL ARE AMD.

Console sales compared to computer hardware sales are quite small. And from the huge, expensive chips in the consoles AMD is getting $60-$100 each. The console deals are more about getting AMD tech out there than profit.
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**AMD architecture is going to be utilized better.

Jaguar will be utilized better. Multithreading improvements will help pretty much every CPU people are buying these days. And this only applies to gaming, a relatively small market on the PC side of things.
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**Macpro is being Equip with Firepro GPUs.

And a 12-core IB-EP CPU.

But the adoption rate for the mac pro among serious power users and enterprise class consumers is likely going to be very small. It just doesn't provide the same features as competing products.
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**APUs are selling well.

Debatable.

Your best buy desktop is dying, workstations don't use APUs, gamers do not buy them most of the time and the market where they should be selling well (laptops and similar devices) is dominated by intel's offerings with much more attractive products being produced with intel chips in them.
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**Next AMD GPU is going to destroy Nvidias counter part.

Very unlikely, especially with Titans and 780s getting a voltage boost above 1.3v. Are you sure you want to bet that a 9970 will destroy a 1300MHz Titan? For example the fastest non LN2 7970 in the valley thread is a matrix card at 1375MHz. It gets beat by 49% by a 1330MHz Titan. No hardware mods. No extreme cooling. Just a watercooled Titan.
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**Most of new games are going to be AMD Gaming Evolved.

Since when? Future ubisoft Titles are Nvidia title' and so on. Watch dogs for example. What confirmed gaming evolved titles do we even have? Even BF4 atm runs better on NV than AMD.

Anyways I don't really even know why AMD is an issue in this thread. They don't have any consumer CPU that doesn't get beat by at least 50% by IB-E. Steamroller FX isn't coming for ages if at all and even then it wouldn't be even nearly enough. Right now the latest info is no new AMD high end CPUs in 2014. That means that by the time they are ready to release something, intel will have produced a consumer CPU over twice as fast as AMD's most powerful chip.
 
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