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Asus VG248QE vs BenQ XL2420T - 3D replacement for Asus VG23AH

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Just want to say first of all, that I know there are a lot better monitors out there that are around $400 or $600 or more, I can't afford those. I also prefer a 16:9 aspect 1080p resolution and 24 inches will already be stretching my desk, so please, no arguments about very high-end expensive monitors, the resolution, or physical size of the monitors.

Currently I have an Asus VG23AH, I got it due to recommendations here:
http://hardforum.com/showthread.php?t=1731772

However, the passive 3D it uses doesn't seem to be supported by.... anything. Even Nvidia's 3D configuration fails despite the fact that I do see separate images from each eye like it says. However, there is also the problem that I didn't realize the 5ms response time was GTG, I assumed they only list the GTG if its smaller than 5ms since my older and cheaper 2D monitors were 2msGTG and I know 5ms true refresh rate is kinda a standard. Some rhythm games like Bit Trip Runner 2 have a lot of blur.

So I decided to see what the prices for current 3D monitors were, and was surprised to see a few in the $250 range. (Yes, I am aware these don't come with the glasses).

One thing that I am a little annoyed about is the fact that I will pretty much be forced to go with a TN screen, and I couldn't find any that were IPS. I understand that TN have faster response times, but I wanted to go IPS for the better viewing angles. I don't know how bad the viewing angles of a TN are compared to an IPS panel though.

So the one that caught my eye was the Asus VG248QE... but... it seemed too good to be true. a 144mz monitor with a 1ms refresh rate that supports NVIDIA 3D Vision 2 for around $250-280?

I saw some reviews here:
http://hardforum.com/showthread.php?t=1730425

And it seems decent (but then again, so did the Asus VG23AH) but apparently looks horrible when you use lightboost, which is a big selling point for me. Also while its not THAT needed, it is a little limiting that it has no VGA or ANY analog inputs whatsoever.

So I did some more looking around and ran into these:
http://tinyurl.com/kdukk4t

Pretty much I am choosing between the Asus VG248QE and BenQ XL2420T. I have never heard of BenQ before, but while I was researching my original monitor I ran into many reviews of that brand and people seem to love them and consider them high quality.

A lot of what was mentioned in the reviews also went over my head, the problem is nearly all of them seem to need you to configure them to get the best out of them as default settings appear to be pretty bad, especially for lightboost 3D. I have absolutely zero idea whatsoever on how to configure a monitor like this. I know there are color profiles you can download, but those won't fix some of the settings that are on the monitor itself like Trace Free or AMA(whatever that is) and other options will it?

Also, for the sake of making vsync (or adaptive vsync if I can get that configured right) give me realistic framerates, wouldn't it be better to run the monitor at 120hz even if I get a 144hz screen? Or would 144 be better? Wouldn't I have a smaller and more obscure set of framerates I can use with vsync at 144hz? I doubt my system can maintain 144FPS or higher on most of my games, not without lowering the settings at least, and even then some will be pushing it. (Some barely go above 60FPS, much less 120. Grated though, at max settings).

So which one would you recommend for 2D and 3D gaming? Considering I don't have a 3DTV I will likely use it for 3D movies too, but mostly gaming. I am also mostly worried that either of these would produce a worse image than my current monitor.
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Difference between the two monitors:

Asus claims to have a 1ms response time (1ms faster than Benq's 2ms response time) and is cheaper, but the BenQ has better build quality and color quality.

Someone else will have to chime in as to which performs better with Lightboost.

I don't do anything 3D because I think it's just a gimmick, so can't really help ya there.

I'd probably go with the Asus just because it sometimes gets really cheap like $230 (but this is assuming you wait for a sale) versus closer to $280-300 for the BenQ.

Also with the 144Hz Asus you can always set it to 120Hz if you want, so your vsync concerns aren't really an issue.
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One thing that I am a little annoyed about is the fact that I will pretty much be forced to go with a TN screen, and I couldn't find any that were IPS.
If you do not need 3D Vision, if you can bump your budget to about $300, and you don't mind a lot more motion blur (but still a lot less than 60Hz), consider the overclockable monitors such as the QNIX QX2710 which is an PLS panel that can overclock up to 120Hz. You will still get more motion blur than a 120Hz TN even in non-LightBoost mode, and won't hold a candle (motion-clarity-wise) to LightBoost mode.
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Someone else will have to chime in as to which performs better with Lightboost.

Among tests on 120Hz LightBoost monitors... the forum knowledge collective on several forums, thanks to Vega tests, my tests, hazmatm tests, (corroborated by at least 3 other independent forum user confirmations), the LightBoost winners has gradually converged into this average:

LightBoost Faint-Ghost Effect
In general, LightBoost crosstalk artifact (faint sharp double ghost) based on the TestUFO Eiffel Tower Test

LightBoost best (double ghost nearly gone) -- VG248QE, XL2411T, XL2420TE
LightBoost middle (double ghost faintly) -- VG278H, XL2720T
LightBoost worst (double ghost worse) -- XL2420T, XL2420TX, some older VG278HE's

LightBoost Color Quality
Also, for LightBoost color quality. Comparisions are best done after a quick calibration, adjust monitor contrast to a several notches below white clipping, then do nVidia Control Panel Desktop Brightness=52, Contrast=47, Gamma=0.70, Vibrance=50 (unmodified Vibrance) for more colorful LightBoost with full greyscale ramp.

LightBoost best colors -- VG278H, VG278HE, XL2720T, XL2420T, XL2420TX
LightBoost worse colors -- VG248QE, XL2411T, XL2420TE

LightBoost Overall Winners
Best Combined Quality (Colors+CRT Effect) -- VG278H, XL2720T, followed by VG278HE
Best CRT Effect -- VG248QE, XL2411T, XL2420TE*
Best Price (if colors not a concern) -- VG248QE in North America, XL2411T in Europe
Special mention goes to XL2420TE as being the first PWM-free 120Hz monitor that can dim to extremely dim levels in non-LightBoost mode, which is good for a low-eyestrain 120Hz monitor
Edited by mdrejhon - 8/24/13 at 12:29am
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Originally Posted by mdrejhon View Post

If you do not need 3D Vision, if you can bump your budget to about $300, and you don't mind a lot more motion blur

3D Vision and replacing my monitor with a less blurry one are EXACTLY the reasons I want to replace it actually...

As for those lightboost tests, yeah, that's pretty much what I saw in the other reviews, that while it's great for refresh rate and response times, the image doesn't look too good with it enabled, for the Asus at least...
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You need to buy the Tri-Def software for the VG23AH, tons of games are supported:

http://www.tridef.com/user-guide/supported-games

The VG23AH's colors are far superior to the VG248QE, even when lightboost is disabled.

As for deciding between the BenQ & Asus, the BenQ has much better Lightboost colors than the VG248QE's horrid LB colors and black levels, but more lightboost ghosting.

Not sure about the XL2420TE's LB colors since there are no proper reviews.
Edited by MenacingTuba - 8/24/13 at 11:29am
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Originally Posted by mdrejhon View Post

If you do not need 3D Vision, if you can bump your budget to about $300, and you don't mind a lot more motion blur (but still a lot less than 60Hz), consider the overclockable monitors such as the QNIX QX2710 which is an PLS panel that can overclock up to 120Hz. You will still get more motion blur than a 120Hz TN even in non-LightBoost mode, and won't hold a candle (motion-clarity-wise) to LightBoost mode.
Among tests on 120Hz LightBoost monitors... the forum knowledge collective on several forums, thanks to Vega tests, my tests, hazmatm tests, (corroborated by at least 3 other independent forum user confirmations), the LightBoost winners has gradually converged into this average: Warning: Spoiler! (Click to show)
LightBoost Faint-Ghost Effect
In general, LightBoost crosstalk artifact (faint sharp double ghost) based on the TestUFO Eiffel Tower Test

LightBoost best (double ghost nearly gone) -- VG248QE, XL2411T, XL2420TE
LightBoost middle (double ghost faintly) -- VG278H, XL2720T
LightBoost worst (double ghost worse) -- XL2420T, XL2420TX, some older VG278HE's

LightBoost Color Quality
Also, for LightBoost color quality. Comparisions are best done after a quick calibration, adjust monitor contrast to a several notches below white clipping, then do nVidia Control Panel Desktop Brightness=52, Contrast=47, Gamma=0.70, Vibrance=50 (unmodified Vibrance) for more colorful LightBoost with full greyscale ramp.

LightBoost best colors -- VG278H, VG278HE, XL2720T, XL2420T, XL2420TX
LightBoost worse colors -- VG248QE, XL2411T, XL2420TE

LightBoost Overall Winners
Best Combined Quality (Colors+CRT Effect) -- VG278H, XL2720T, followed by VG278HE
Best CRT Effect -- VG248QE, XL2411T, XL2420TE*
Best Price (if colors not a concern) -- VG248QE in North America, XL2411T in Europe
Special mention goes to XL2420TE as being the first PWM-free 120Hz monitor that can dim to extremely dim levels in non-LightBoost mode, which is good for a low-eyestrain 120Hz monitor

Great summary. I would rep you but it seems rep was removed from this section.

Quick question: Between the VG278H and XL2720T, which one would you choose and why?
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