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One has to keep in mind that the ES is not usually a better overclocking sample. It is from the first released fab and is not at all mature. Since this is the case, later steppings will often be more mature and better overclockers than the ES. For example, the Core2 ES (B0 and B1 steppings) were not better overclocking parts than the finally released Core 2 with B2 stepping.

The B2's needed less voltages to reach the OC heights and as the B2 fab process matured they became better and better.

New B2 releases are now with VID's of 1.225v which are 0.1v lower than the B0 and B1 and even beginning B2 releases.

It's only logical. The ES Samples are from early batches of a fab. As time goes on and the maturation process is tempered, then they become better not worse. The Law of Entropy is forward looking not backwards looking.

Now with a dual core, the FSB is not saturated anyway. Yes, with quad core releases this becomes an issue but with dual core, the 1066FSB is not saturated and when overclocking the 4300 one will reach a 1600Mhz FSB at any rate. Stock, one might argue the theoretical value of the 800 vs 1066FSB but on Good Air overclocks that point quickly becomes moot.

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post #22 of 25
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Originally Posted by rx7speed View Post
how does one get his/her hands on the ES chips?
They have to come directly from Intel/AMD/[Insert Chip Maker Here], and usually require a certain relationship with the company. Other than that, Ebay, or a sale/trade from somebody who has one.

200 FSB Goes farther I suppose, but there needs to be some serious testing of mature 200 FSB parts before theres a final conclusion on this.
post #23 of 25
I don't know Ropey but ALL the E6600s I saw that were ES, bastards were hitting 3.60ghz easy with a 1.45v, whereas my E6600 requires a minimum of 1.60, temps are not too bad but nonetheless it's a huge difference between 1.45v to 1.60v.

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I think the higher multi is an advantage , it wont overclock to 4.50ghz , but all I want is it gives the same overclock as the e6300 that would be good enough (3.50ghz) it will be easier and it wont need the best mobo \\ ram to keep up with the high fsb
I think in this case your point is correct.

An E4300 at 400x9= 3.60ghz (See Link Here) maybe very feasible, but still it's an ES and I'm eager to see what the retail does.

Anyhow, and then the E6300 @ 500x7= 3.50ghz, a 100mhz decrease in speed difference, not enough to cause an alarm but the E4300 should be less expensive than the E6300.

So, I guess there could be a good overclocking chip but again, since that the E6300s can do 500fsb easy and retail, might as well the retail version of the E4300 do it too. It's all yet to be seen though.
post #24 of 25
ths chip is going to be sick... im pissed that i bought an e6600 now, although i do like the extra cache... id rather have my extra 175 back to get some watercooling

this chip is going to let alot of ppl step up to core... right now they are pretty cheap but they are limited because you need a 200 dollar mobo and 300 dollar ram to get a good oc

with the higher multi/lower fsb you can use some cheap ddr2 667 clock it to 800 plus to hit 3.6 easily

these chips are a new stepping (true allendale) and have the cache physically removed, instead of just disconnected... i bet ppl will be hitting 4ghz plus on water with these
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I don't know Ropey but ALL the E6600s I saw that were ES, bastards were hitting 3.60ghz easy with a 1.45v, whereas my E6600 requires a minimum of 1.60, temps are not too bad but nonetheless it's a huge difference between 1.45v to 1.60v.
I have a friend with an L630A767 that I have seen make 1.45 with 3.6GHz. What FPO/Batch is yours? 1.6v is very poor for an E6600 to make 400Mhz FSB imo.

I will be buying a new week 31 6600 next week and will post my results.
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