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post #11 of 36
Just wait for the modders out there to get them running Linux/Windows/OSX and fire it right back at them smile.gif
As with many others, I am hoping for an increase in game quality now that developers can create content for better hardware.
    
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post #12 of 36
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Originally Posted by MightEMatt View Post

From a terminology standpoint, a console is in every way, a computing device for personal use; a personal computer.

God I hate semantics.

When they say 'P.C.', you know what they mean, right? Word processing, keyboard and mouse, easy internet browsing, etc. Available in every office the world over.

A console is not that.
post #13 of 36
Rofl I think most of us here already knew this, consoles are definitely not PCs.
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The point is that the architecture is not just a scaled up/down version of a 'normal' PC.

Having the ESRAM and UMA in the consoles is something fundamentally different to a desktop PC, and therefore developers will code games to make use of these features in the consoles.

Now, I don't claim to fully understand the implications of this, but from the point of view of the article I think it is fair enough to say that they are not just a 'PC in a box', given that before full details of the console architecture were released everyone thought they would just be like a PC with an APU in terms of architecture
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post #15 of 36
Quote:
Originally Posted by Scorpii View Post

The point is that the architecture is not just a scaled up/down version of a 'normal' PC.

Having the ESRAM and UMA in the consoles is something fundamentally different to a desktop PC, and therefore developers will code games to make use of these features in the consoles.

Now, I don't claim to fully understand the implications of this, but from the point of view of the article I think it is fair enough to say that they are not just a 'PC in a box', given that before full details of the console architecture were released everyone thought they would just be like a PC with an APU in terms of architecture

eSRAM concept is actually very old AA style that was deemed unessential as memory speeds increased on GPUs. We do use the exact same concept in PCs, called L1/L2/L3 cache. This is the exact same thing, only eSRAM is being used on a GPU/APU. Embedded Static Random Access Memory. Your cellphone is another example. Your TI89 calculator again is another one.

UMA/HUMA/HSA are all hardware implementations of what software has been doing. Windows creates a virtual memory address where the kernel then interacts with all assigned memory as one unified resource. The difference is that the hardware doesn't have to go through a kernel to directly access the memory, however, there isn't any fault tolerance so it is a double edge sword. I personally don't believe that this is a game breaking change, and in some ways, seems a step back.

They are just PCs in a box.
Edited by RagingCain - 8/27/13 at 6:08am
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post #16 of 36
Consoles would be screwed if they were just an off the shelf AMD APUs.....A10-6800k would BLOW
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post #17 of 36
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Originally Posted by Juub View Post

I wouldn't say any of those are PC's. Usually when people talk about PC, they include the hardware customization and all the goodies. The consoles in a general way function just like a PC but with a different target audience and different purposes.

My point exactly. So in short, yes they are PCs with an entertainment focused software package.
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Originally Posted by BakerMan1971 View Post

Just wait for the modders out there to get them running Linux/Windows/OSX and fire it right back at them

This can be used further to make the point that consoles are in fact PCs. How many of you have soft modded consoles? I have only soft modded my original Xbox, but with a memory card, game disc, and some funky USB adapters you could literally throw Linux on there and be off using it like a desktop computer.

As a side note I'm not sure any of you know what PC means either. Some of you say something that isn't a Mac, something that isn't a laptop, something that is entirely customizable, or something that can do word processing. Therefore the incorrect generalization being made is that PC is literally a Windows based desktop computer with a productivity based software package. Just because it is a common misconception doesn't make it true, all you're doing is feeding ignorance. On the customizing note, I'm sure if they weren't so proprietary, people would build laptops a lot; myself included.
Edited by MightEMatt - 8/27/13 at 6:39am
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Originally Posted by lacrossewacker View Post

well in this case, they're are referring to Xbox One/Ps4 vs PC (desktops)

Obviously nobody is saying...

Person A: Xbox One is just a PC in a box.

Person B: No way, the SG4 is so much weaker......

Not to be rude but I have no idea what you're saying here. Something about a Galaxy 4 being weaker than the Xbox One?
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post #19 of 36
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Originally Posted by RagingCain View Post

eSRAM concept is actually very old AA style that was deemed unessential as memory speeds increased on GPUs. We do use the exact same concept in PCs, called L1/L2/L3 cache. This is the exact same thing, only eSRAM is being used on a GPU/APU. Embedded Static Random Access Memory. Your cellphone is another example. Your TI89 calculator again is another one.

UMA/HUMA/HSA are all hardware implementations of what software has been doing. Windows creates a virtual memory address where the kernel then interacts with all assigned memory as one unified resource. The difference is that the hardware doesn't have to go through a kernel to directly access the memory, however, there isn't any fault tolerance so it is a double edge sword. I personally don't believe that this is a game breaking change, and in some ways, seems a step back.

They are just PCs in a box.

I do know that the console implementations of these features are of course versions of what the PC has had previously, but my point (and the point of the article, I believe), is that current PCs don't use this technology in the same way, because (as you say), they are either not needed or have been superseded by alternatives.

I think the point is that you couldn't make one of the consoles with off the shelf components, as the architecture is actually slightly different from what you or I could make from buying normal components and the usual architecture of a desktop PC.

If people want to argue semantics then fair enough, but I think what the guy in the article was trying to say is valid, although maybe he should have been more specific in his use of the word 'PC'...
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Originally Posted by MightEMatt View Post

Not to be rude but I have no idea what you're saying here. Something about a Galaxy 4 being weaker than the Xbox One?

Well, it's kind of countering your statements about "PC" being anything. (phones/tablets/etc...)

I, and other, were just reiterating that it's quite obvious that they're referring to Xbox One/PS4 vs PC (as in a desktop PC)

My SG4 example was just to show that NOBODY in their right mind would confuse "PC" in this context with anything other than a desktop.
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