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MX Cherry Reds: While the reds were pretty unique and great for gaming, I found myself sometimes second guessing if I actually hit the actuation point of the keys. That resulted with me always bottoming out the reds. Double tapping always involved a lot of key travel and light bottoming out to make sure that the actuation point has been reached. I actually had a bigger issue with not releasing the key fully since they're so light when double tapping. I prefer to hover around the actuation point and without a bump it's difficult to get just right.

MX Cherry Blues: Typing on these are a dream. Quick decisive and clean. But gaming on the other hand is not so great. The actuation and deactivation points on the blue keys are at different levels so double tapping involves having to go all the way up above the click before you can click it again. There's a bit of resistance when traveling upwards when you hit that click point too. I found myself getting caught double tapping right under the click point so the computer just registered it as me holding down the key. To make sure that key properly resets you almost have to lift your finger almost to the point where it comes off the key to ensure a full reset. Again, it just feels like a lot of extra work just to spam click.

Thus I have turned my attention to MX Cherry Browns. I have not bought a brown keyboard yet but I do have the WASD MX Cherry key kit to try out all of the buttons to see which one I like. My main concern with brown is that with the 45Nm of actuation force, just like the reds. I'll just blow through the tactile bump. It's not as crisp as the blues so it almost feels like a linear red when you go at it hard. I had a lot of typing issues and accidental keypresses with reds so that has me concerned. I'm worried that once I start typing, the browns, although tactile, will behave like reds with misclicks.

Thus, I'm wondering if mechanical keyboards are just not for me. I've never had a problem with membrane keyboards, especially high quality ones. In fact, I quite enjoy typing on my Macbook Pro and Logitech Keyboards. I might just get a brown and try it out but that'd be the third mechanical keyboard I've bought just to "try it out" Heck, my current HP cheapo work keyboard I'm typing on right now never gives me misclicks and has a very good tactile bump when the key activates. I can hover right around the actuation point to double click too. Maybe mechanical keyboards are just not for me frown.gif

TL;DR Are browns more like blues or reds in terms of misclicks? Is the "bump" noticeable when typing very fast or does it turn mushy as if it's like a red?
Edited by Syan48306 - 8/27/13 at 6:36am
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I would suggest hitting up your local hardware store and testing out each keyboard and finding the one that is right for you. I personally own an MX Cherry Black keyboard (Steelseries 7G), bottoming out is not required, and a key press is registered before the key is even half way to the bottom. This is great for spamming (lol) and quick time events. Typing is a bit hard, but you will get used to it in time. Actuation force is (I think) the highest of the MX Cherry keys.
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I would suggest hitting up your local hardware store and testing out each keyboard and finding the one that is right for you. I personally own an MX Cherry Black keyboard (Steelseries 7G), bottoming out is not required, and a key press is registered before the key is even half way to the bottom. This is great for spamming (lol) and quick time events. Typing is a bit hard, but you will get used to it in time. Actuation force is (I think) the highest of the MX Cherry keys.

See that's the source of the problem. I don't have ANYWHERE local to test these things out. I've went as far as to get a sampler kit from WASD but even then it's just one key. Typing experience and misclicks can't really be gauged unless you've got a keyboard and have tried typing on it for a while.
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My main concern with brown is that with the 45Nm of actuation force, just like the reds. I'll just blow through the tactile bump. It's not as crisp as the blues so it almost feels like a linear red when you go at it hard. I had a lot of typing issues and accidental keypresses with reds so that has me concerned. I'm worried that once I start typing, the browns, although tactile, will behave like reds with misclicks.
I think how much you like browns really depends on how hard you type, since If you do more than lightly bottom out the keys the tactility does pretty much disappear. I'm a light typist though and the slightly heavier feel and bump near the top of the switch are definitely noticeable compared to reds, which I thought were pretty hard to type on when I tried them at a store.

Based on your preference for blues and good rubber domes/scissor switches though I don't know if you'd like browns that much, something with more defined feedback like MX clears might work out better for you.
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It sounds a LOT like you want to grab some Cherry MX Clears (might also be called whites in china).. Clears don't have the actuation point problems of blues, while keeping all the advantages of a higher resistance clicky switch.

The alternative is cherry MX Greens, which are more like the buckling spring type IBM model M keys.

Definitely give clears a try. I think you'll like them.
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Browns are my personal favorite, as far as a "close as possible to ideal for everything" switch goes. I was taught to type by touch, actually with the keyboard having all blank keys except for some bumps on a couple keys for hand return. Kind of a PITA way to learn, at first, but it does make you focus heavily on the actual contact with the keys and once you get to around 70wpm youle arn that if you want to get faster without accuracy plummeting, you have to teach yourself to slowly decrease the amount of pressure you use, and only press as hard as is nnecessary. The result was, in my "prime", over 110wpm with 97.8% accuracy. However, unless you are a professional typist, it takes a lot of very specific practice to maintain that kind of speed AND accuracy, and I have lost it and am back to around 80wpm and 96-98% accuracy (note: mostly post on here from my phone, and as good as SwiftKey is, it has a mind of its own at times)

The reasonI mention this is because, when I was learning this faster and more accurate typing, I noticed that everyone had their own unique "quirks", many being bad habits carried over but some people just hold their hands differently, use different fingers for different keys than is traditionally taught, and so forth.
Mostrelevant to this, tho, is that the difference in sound from one person to the next, despite all being the same keyboards, was incredible. Some people were so light I their touch that, not seeing their hands, it was like words just appeared on screen without pprompting. Others, well, if I didn't know better I'd think they were trying to take out a lifetime of frustration and anger on the poor keyboard, almost literally pounding on the thing, bottoming out ever key.

Thus, while the first group would probably be perfectly suited to blues, the latter would need blacks just to keep from literally pushing the keys out the back side of the board.



For gaming, browns require a somewhat light touch, not as much so as reds but more so than blacks, if you want to feel the tactile bump and make perfect double taps.

One key switch that have come to really appreciate, after some frustration following getting them and never having used them before, are the MX Greens. I could say that they are like a mix of brown and black with a hint of blue, but that doesn't fully do them justice.
They are tactile, stiff, actuation and reset points are the same so good for tactile double taps, and then there is my favorite bit... They havean extremely sstrong return force, so by the time you have pressed a key it's practically already fully returned. I mean it SHOOTS the things back up!
They are becoming more and more my favorite switch for gaming, and if you have not used them, I highly recommend trying them out before writing off mechanical keys.

Of course, there are also Topre and other "not Cherry" switches that are worth a look.
   
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I personally have blacks (CM Trigger, silicon rings throughout), and tho I do like them, I would love to try the browns.

The blues are out of the question, as I am pretty picky with the way I "move" in both my office and home. I don't want to sound like a wacko typing or gaming, and I do think blues are far too audible for my taste, so I don't do to others what I don't enjoy myself. Maybe it was the people I was around to that raged on the board as described above - maybe. Still I refrain from getting one. Thus I always frown upon monoprice offering a Blue MX board, often below $50, and no brown option mad.gif

I wouldn't have issues ofc (unlike some people that would rather die by their mech) going back to a proper membrane keyboard, some of them are pretty nice and thats another reason I am not willing to drop the money Duckies or even WASD and Das keyboards ask. Got my Trigger for $65 shipped.
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