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Originally Posted by Lukas026 View Post

well there is 2 point of views (POV) on this card:

#1) look from person who want to break records and dont care much for any other settings (like image quality, some power management, easy installation (something like plug n play)). for that kind its completly fine card (I might say great) and I am surely not saying, its something bad !

and

#2) look from a person who bought this card to "mildly" overclock it and play games 24/7 and maybe sometimes do some benchmark to see if his / her hardware keeps up with others. and becouse so many features and price of this card, it should be piece of cake to do this kind of usage

now to the problem of the Lightning 780 overall: at this moment this card is doing good only for people with #1 POV.

for the people with #2 POV there is only problems, crashes, bad software, strange behaviour etc. even on stock clock speed...

so as you can see Classy / HOF have one big advantage - they can be useful for both groups of people becouse they are doing great in POV #1 and also POV #2...

I think that sums it up...

PS: I understand also the silicon lottery but we can all see now that this is not main reason of this whining smile.gif

This basically sums it up and I'd argue I'm in group #2 myself. It's hard to see your card capable of "running" (ie artifacts/glitches/instability) at near 1400mhz but only have usable clocks closer to 1200. Most every graphics card I've overclocked has had a narrow range between complete instability and complete stability, where you might have a 20-30mhz 'limbo' where the card will run benchmarks, but those benchmarks will see artifacts etc. This card, for many people, has a limbo that taunts them with excellent clocks but ends up putting them in a realm of usability that is far below that point. Some of this is simply due to the fact that MSI hasn't come out with a real overclocking bios for the card yet, and because of that, instability arises through using bios that was not designed by engineers at MSI.

Honestly, it's a real convoluted situation, and what makes it worse is that those of us who bought this card paid extra money in the hopes that we could avoid many of these problems.
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This basically sums it up and I'd argue I'm in group #2 myself. It's hard to see your card capable of "running" (ie artifacts/glitches/instability) at near 1400mhz but only have usable clocks closer to 1200. Most every graphics card I've overclocked has had a narrow range between complete instability and complete stability, where you might have a 20-30mhz 'limbo' where the card will run benchmarks, but those benchmarks will see artifacts etc. This card, for many people, has a limbo that taunts them with excellent clocks but ends up putting them in a realm of usability that is far below that point. Some of this is simply due to the fact that MSI hasn't come out with a real overclocking bios for the card yet, and because of that, instability arises through using bios that was not designed by engineers at MSI.

Honestly, it's a real convoluted situation, and what makes it worse is that those of us who bought this card paid extra money in the hopes that we could avoid many of these problems.

Yep I'm group 2. Couldn't put it better myself. Crazy clocks for benchmarks, completes them fine but then I play a bit of Metro or BF3 and crash crash crash crash. Even as low as 1200mhz on the core which is still a nice clock but cmon... its a ******* Lightning! ''Built to be Perfect'' and all that XD

Drivers. We need some drivers... when can we expect some solid drivers? and will MSI be providing us with a decent BIOS? (Sky's bios is great though! thankyou for your help!) but lets hope they do provide an official BIOS and the drivers get sorted because if not and what we have now IS the Lightning then this thing is going on Ebay tongue.gif
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I have been playing games on my Lightnings in SLI using the original non LN2 bios and not had a crash at all thats running at a boosted speed of just under 1200. Not tried further as i'm more than happy to play games at this speed.

Remember the LN2 mode on the lightning was not designed for anything other than benchmarking was it?
Have you tried the stock standard bios clocked? You should find that stable for games.... either that or i'm just very lucky.
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I have been playing games on my Lightnings in SLI using the original non LN2 bios and not had a crash at all thats running at a boosted speed of just under 1200. Not tried further as i'm more than happy to play games at this speed.

Remember the LN2 mode on the lightning was not designed for anything other than benchmarking was it?
Have you tried the stock standard bios clocked? You should find that stable for games.... either that or i'm just very lucky.

dont get me wrong, but for that need you would be fine with reference SLI models and not paying 2x 770$ for 2 Lightnings. they would work well too and perform the same

Lightnings are made to perform above the reference cards and be on the top (including extreme overclocking and also normal gaming use). now they just dont cut it...

and yeah I remember 680 lightning and to be honest, people who HAVEN'T run it on LN2 bios were kind of lame, becouse LN2 bios was the main thing, which made it king / queen of single GPUs (no OCP, PT 300 %, full boost all the time)

now it just seems that the roles swapped:

in 6xx times: Lightning >>>> Classified
in 7xx times: Classified >>>> Lightning

sorry but this is my point of view and from posts above I am not alone
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I have no real knowledge of the 6 series Lightnings so can't comment.

hang on I thought I paid extra for the lights doh.

Fair enough,,, clearly my expectations are much lower which if I have not been party to the previous lightnings makes sense.
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Remember the LN2 mode on the lightning was not designed for anything other than benchmarking was it?

sorry I though you were refering to the 680 Lightning - my bad smile.gif

and becouse of that now I see your view on this card. well my friend, for that kind of money, expectations must be high smile.gif
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I see alot of people saying they will be returning the Lightning or have done so already. I'm thinking about this myself seeing mine isnt stable in games anywhere over 1202mhz with the 1.2v limit. My HOF does 1293 - 1306mhz completely stable in all games at 1.2v so I'm not impressed with the chip I have.

On what terms do you go about asking the retailer to return the cards?

I got mine from Scan.co.uk and already had a bad experience with them when I wanted to return a Gigabyte 560Ti SoC that was crashing in EVERY game without fail. They blabbed on the drivers were the fault and I should wait for them to be updated. Thats a pretty bad excuse. Fought with them for 6 weeks before they gave me a refund. Only purchased my Lightning from them as they were the only ones who had it in stock.

So yeh how do I go about returning a card that doesnt have any faults but doesnt perform as well as I was expecting? I know some of you have already returned them or even thinking about it.

It depends on the retailer, quite a few have a xx day return policy although most will want to charge a restocking fee to return a working card, like paying the open box difference.
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Didn't see this post before but wow... how the hell...

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The other score was pretty crazy to 3550 score on Valley.. Wish they all posted like this. This have anything to do with PhsyX being unchecked?.. Sorry noob questions.

I always just disable physx because physx enabled scores are invalid everywhere, it doesn't affect the scores/clocks (other than the physx boost).
I don't use full cover blocks so didn't have to wait & got the 780L water cooled right off the bat.
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well there is 2 point of views (POV) on this card:

#1) look from person who want to break records and dont care much for any other settings (like image quality, some power management, easy installation (something like plug n play)). for that kind its completly fine card (I might say great) and I am surely not saying, its something bad !

and

#2) look from a person who bought this card to "mildly" overclock it and play games 24/7 and maybe sometimes do some benchmark to see if his / her hardware keeps up with others. and becouse so many features and price of this card, it should be piece of cake to do this kind of usage

now to the problem of the Lightning 780 overall: at this moment this card is doing good only for people with #1 POV.

for the people with #2 POV there is only problems, crashes, bad software, strange behaviour etc. even on stock clock speed...

so as you can see Classy / HOF have one big advantage - they can be useful for both groups of people becouse they are doing great in POV #1 and also POV #2...

I think that sums it up...

PS: I understand also the silicon lottery but we can all see now that this is not main reason of this whining smile.gif

I would be in group 1 biggrin.gif
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I have been playing games on my Lightnings in SLI using the original non LN2 bios and not had a crash at all thats running at a boosted speed of just under 1200. Not tried further as i'm more than happy to play games at this speed.

Remember the LN2 mode on the lightning was not designed for anything other than benchmarking was it?
Have you tried the stock standard bios clocked? You should find that stable for games.... either that or i'm just very lucky.

This is what I usually do, ln2 bios for benching & the stock bios for anything daily.. I normally don't use benching cards for daily, but when I do I figure they really don't need the loosened OCP & OVP limits of the ln2 bios. 780s are beastly even with mild overclocks, I push them to the max for the bench scores but let them rest a bit when not benching.
    
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Kudos man, awesome scores no matter how ya did it lol. So far yours tops the ones I've seen in here at least I think. Besides im sure you've figured out lots of methods over your time doing all this. I've been overly engorged on tech and coming tech for a long time, but trying to get into the more in depth things more and more. With my health failing and disabilities lingering it keeps me pushing @ Pc's and technology honestly. Thanks for the explanation as well ^^
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Does anyone here know the peak watt consumption on 2 lightnings 1300mhz+ with a 4.6+Ghz 4940k?
    
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Anyones card perform decently in games with 1.2v? Max allowed by Nvidia and using the official 320.49 drivers.

Mine just crashed during Metro with 1241mhz and nothing on the memory. Looking for my stable, everyday gaming overclock today.
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