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Okay fellas. I know that some of y'all (well, most of y'all since this is an Intel forum) are fans of Intel, some of AMD, and some use both w/o any issues. This build was entirely done in order to honestly find out how well it would perform in comparison to the "usual" AMD based build that I would do-- and have done. Admittedly it is my 1st Intel based build from start to finish, and I even used Nvidia GPU to stay away entirely from AMD.
I have been an AMD fanboy for years, and woke up one day thinking: "How can I continue to bash Intel's prices, monopolies, etc... when I haven't even experienced their products firsthand?" That was the day I planned this build.



I also decided not to go with an anemic chipset or cpu, so I tried my best to go with all-quality components, just as if I was an Intel guru myself.

Asrock Fatality Z77 Professional mobo
Intel I5 3570K CPU
Corsair Dominator memory -- 2133 4x2gb (smaller sticks for overclocking)
Corsair GS600 Power Supply -- 600 watts rated -- I believe 53 amp 12v rail
Full watercooling loop with swiftech at it's core - maelstrom res w/ mcp350 pump under it- dual 140mm rad - mcw82 gpu block -
The rest of loop consisted of EK motherboard blocks on the mosfets, north and south bridges. EK CPU block as well.
the second rad was a black ice 360 copper with a high fin density.
NVIDIA 660 T.I. by EVGA factory overclocked, and I did not push it
A-DATA 60 GB SSD SATA 3 for boot, and 4 x 500 gb Western Digital Black 64 mb cache drives in raid 0 for storage (gaming - speed)
3 T.B. Seagate 64 mb cache hdd for general and movie storage.


On one note, it was pretty sucky to only have a limited number of sata 3 ports, and the rest being sata 2. (red- sata 3 (4) black - sata 2 (6))
I don't know if this killed my storage speeds, but I couldn't split the raid 0 drivbes between the two types, so I had to put them all on sata 2. I am used to the AMD mobo's which normally have all sata 3 (on the performance chipsets anyway) With Intel being the biggest name in cpu's I dunno why that is???

One BIG difference that I have already ranted about is the pins... I really had to make it a point to BE CAREFUL not to drop the cpu! Of course, even with an AMD rig, you still don't want to drop it either... but I have straightened cpu pins numkerous times w/o much problem. But the way these pins are laid at an angle, it would be impossible (as I would find out later) I did get it installed ok, but found in my RMA warranty page from Asrock that there is a $50 charge for bent mobo pins!! AMD doesn't charge you to replace your cpu, no matter what. But since Intel put the onus on the Motherboard manufacturers to obviously save money as well as RMA costs...lol

This thing REALLY surprised me by it's SPEED when installing windows, and drivers,etc...!!! I would love to say that it was slow as hell, but it was the opposite, FASSST!! It was more complicated as far as all of the bloatware, ahci, raid drivers, management crud, etc... but after finally getting it all installed at stock speeds, it was running great.

BUT.... about 3 weeks along, still testing and doing some mild overclocking, I added a second 660 T.I. card to run SLI and see what it ran like. It never ran again. (remember the motherboard pins that I was speaking about) I first tried every no-post fix that I've ever learned. I then went on here for help from Intel guru's. I mean, crap, all I did was remove my T.V. Tuner card from the X16 slot and add a second GPU. Finally, someone at Asrock recommended that I check the cpu socket "area". I removed the 3570k, and BAM. There it was, just left of center, along the very bottom row there's a little plastic "notch" that seperates the left side pins from the right, and in that little corner there were 3 pins just slightly bent. I was totally mystified as to how it ran soo fine for that 3 weeks and then I guess from the stressof installing the second, lower GPU, it wouldn't post anymore.

So after arguing with Asrock, to no avail, I decided to give a good friend the cpu and board, after paying the stupid 50 bucks of course....


So, in conclusion, Intel does have a pretty zippy little architecture, and I am sure if I had 300 to 100 bucks, I would have even more speed too. But that is the thing. I spent 230 for the ( sweet looking) Z77 mobo and another 210 for the cpu. That's 440 dollars right there. For me personally, I still love my old but great -- Phenom II 965 quad for 100 bucks and my Gigabyte UD3 mobo for 125 more. that leaves me 215 dollars more to buy extra stuff and the extra zip just isn't worth it for me. Well, that, and they'll swap out my cheapo 100 dollar cpu with no questions asked, and there's no mobo pins to bend, or charges to get my mobo RMA'd either.

Props to y'all Intel fans, it's a fast product but just not for me.


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So you make a post about how your user error broke something, and your conclusion is what? You're an AMD guy because you improperly installed something and bent the pins? Which is mind you, pretty much impossible to do unless you don't know what you're doing.

Then instead of RMAing anything that could be replaced, you give up and go back to dated tech?

Makes sense.

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So you make a post about how your user error broke something, and your conclusion is what? You're an AMD guy because you improperly installed something and bent the pins? Which is mind you, pretty much impossible to do unless you don't know what you're doing.

Then instead of RMAing anything that could be replaced, you give up and go back to dated tech?

Makes sense.

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You sound like you are mad. You mad?

His opinion seems reasonable, says its fast but pricier. He prefers to get good performance at a cheaper price. The pins being impossible to bend? Really?
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You sound like you are mad. You mad?

His opinion seems reasonable, says its fast but pricier. He prefers to get good performance at a cheaper price. The pins being impossible to bend? Really?

I though this was OCN, where we're about the pursuit of performance. I have no idea why the OP went back to his slower Phenom II instead of selling the Phenom setup and keeping the faster Intel one...
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Well, where to start.... Apparently , yes, I went back to a slower processor, after breaking a faster, better one. Is that correct? Oh and this apparently disqualifies my membership to OCN...

Reguarding the broken -- the entire point was why and how did an apparent "better" product run for that long if the pins were already bent? Furthermore, It's very easy to tell if there are incorrectly aligned pins when the pins are on the CPU as it normally drops completely flush when they are correct. If there were bent pins, either from the manufacturer, shipping, packaging, or user-error, they are fairly easy to repair and VERY easy to spot. That was the conclusion.

I gave y'alls Intel stuff respect, even though It's not for me. OCN is about getting extra performance out of what you have, as anyone (that will fork out the $$$) can just buy a faster chip.
Whether it's a socket 462, 775 Intel, 939, Pentium, Sempron, Celeron or FX, it's about learning how to get the performance.

I am sure there are others out there that have been AMD fans -- loyal ones -- that have considered trying the competition if for nothing else but comparison. This is for them.


Thank you for your posts and have a good one.
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You sound like you are mad. You mad?

His opinion seems reasonable, says its fast but pricier. He prefers to get good performance at a cheaper price. The pins being impossible to bend? Really?


I agree with you. I am admittedly an AMD "fanboy" but attempted to give props for the things that were honestly good about a manufacturer that I don't support. Could've bashed or whatever, but that's not very adult... I appreciate your post for not being like the rest...
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I though this was OCN, where we're about the pursuit of performance. I have no idea why the OP went back to his slower Phenom II instead of selling the Phenom setup and keeping the faster Intel one...

Really, I can run an underclocked socket 939 or 462 if that is what I prefer. I am not obligated to any particular thing except for what I like.
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Really, I can run an underclocked socket 939 or 462 if that is what I prefer. I am not obligated to any particular thing except for what I like.

Hey, it's your money, not mine.
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