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Problem with such suggestion is that the rear top fan is the one that blows air directly over my board's VRM sink and half of my DIMMs. I remove it and board temps skyrocket, which hurts temps everwhere else as well. Yes, some small amount of exhaust is probably recirculated via this intake, but it's a minor issue, and well worth it.
In any case (pun not intended) that's why it's prime time for major case redesigns tongue.gif
If the HDD cage was positioned up top we would have way less problems probably recirculating a minor amount of exhaust and also intakes would have next to no restriction. Next up would be intakes at the bottom which make the case inherently designed for positive pressure
Told my friend CM doesn't know jack what they're showing on their web and he doesn't believe me and he thinks this is the proper way to keep dust out
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No idea what you are on about. I never suggested no airflow.

I never suggested that you suggested this.
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I only advocate keeping the heated air from components from mixing with the cooler air going to them.

I was pointing out that it's not always practical to prevent the mixing of some heated air back into one's intake.
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The cooler the air going to components the cooler the components will be. Simple as that.

No argument here.
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In any case (pun not intended) that's why it's prime time for major case redesigns tongue.gif
If the HDD cage was positioned up top we would have way less problems probably recirculating a minor amount of exhaust and also intakes would have next to no restriction. Next up would be intakes at the bottom which make the case inherently designed for positive pressure
Told my friend CM doesn't know jack what they're showing on their web and he doesn't believe me and he thinks this is the proper way to keep dust out

Most of my drives are in a 5.25" hotswap bay, where they largely stay away from air flow. Most drives don't really need cooling, and too much cooling is actually bad for them...as is having them block/heat intake air, as you say.

I largely gave up on trying to keep dust out. Positive pressure plus filtered intakes certainly works, but it restricts airflow too much for my tastes. I'm content opening my system to clean it once a month or so.
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Too much cooling is bad for disk drives? No way. More cooling the better.
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Too much cooling is bad for disk drives? No way. More cooling the better.

Not true.

Temperatures below 30C or so can adversely affect the longevity of mechanical hard drives. For example, drives at 25C fail more often than those kept at 40C. This is likely due to increasing viscosity of lubricants as temperature goes down, putting more strain on mechanical components.

35-40C is my target temp for HDDs.

http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&frm=1&source=web&cd=1&cad=rja&ved=0CCkQFjAA&url=http%3A%2F%2Fresearch.google.com%2Farchive%2Fdisk_failures.pdf&ei=QecqUp3TMqb64APUg4DgAw&usg=AFQjCNGdAu5mMDlzXvPg0CSZPH6HavPX3g
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Edited by Oubadah - 9/7/13 at 1:53am
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Not true.

Temperatures below 30C or so can adversely affect the longevity of mechanical hard drives. For example, drives at 25C fail more often than those kept at 40C. This is likely due to increasing viscosity of lubricants as temperature goes down, putting more strain on mechanical components.

35-40C is my target temp for HDDs.

http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&frm=1&source=web&cd=1&cad=rja&ved=0CCkQFjAA&url=http%3A%2F%2Fresearch.google.com%2Farchive%2Fdisk_failures.pdf&ei=QecqUp3TMqb64APUg4DgAw&usg=AFQjCNGdAu5mMDlzXvPg0CSZPH6HavPX3g
I'll agree 35-40c is probably best HDD temp range. But that report is over 6 1/2 year old and based on data of HDDs up to 12 years out of production. Hard to say if new HDDs perform the same.
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True, the information is a bit old, but it's the best (in the sense that it's a fairly detailed study on an enormous sample size and not anecdotes based on a handful to a few dozen drives) we've really got. It makes sense, and unless I hear about some significant/relevant change in motors, servos, and/or lubricants used, I'll use it as a guideline (though not gospel).

I have had drives last in temps below this range, but they don't seem any better off than my hotter running drives.

With the way HDD prices have been, many of my drives are getting rather old as well. I don't think I've bought a 3.5" drives since before the Thai floods and subsequent price increase. My newer drives are either laptop drives, which are generally more heat resistant anyway, or SSDs, which we all know do better cold, for the same reason most electronics do, yet don't generally get hot enough to need active cooling.
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Indeed. thumb.gif

When I first read the Google report it was reassuring because I had a couple of drives that hit 40-45c worrying me. And they are still humming along 4 years later. biggrin.gif
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... I largely gave up on trying to keep dust out. Positive pressure plus filtered intakes certainly works, but it restricts airflow too much for my tastes. I'm content opening my system to clean it once a month or so.

This virtual beer is on me, sir!

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Antec TP-650W CM HAF 912 + 
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