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I have a project on talking about building a PC and what parts to choose based on price. I'm comparing CPUs and I'm so unfamiliar with AMD, I can't tell which of them is comparable to which Intel CPUs. I can't find a simple chart anywhere, can someone help?

I don't want to confuse my audience, so right now I'm just doing:

i3 vs A6
i5 vs A8
i7 vs A10

I know it's not that simple, with new generation and models with different stock clocks and whatnot. Any suggestions?
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AMD'd FX series is as good as the intel i5 series or maybe a tad bit faster but it cannot compare with the core i7 series

it just depends what the aim is

if its gaming i never saw a difference between my fx 8120 and the 3570k on bf3

on farcry i saw a difference of 5-8 fps

on crysis it seems like it prefers the multithreaded fx chips

i have never gamed on my 5600k so i wouldnt know
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You CANNOT compare AMD APUs (All Ax-Series) with Intel's CPUs. APUs are made for the budget segment with integrated GPUs inside them. On the CPU side they perform worse than any Haswell i5 or i7. A better camparison is the FX6300 with i3, FX83x0 (i.e. 8350) with i5s and FX9xx0 (i.e. 9590 with high-end i7s.
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Your initial comparison questions are pretty meaningless because they don't take into account motherboard costs, potential cooling, willingness to overclock, etc. Comparing APUs to Intel's core lineup is also pretty bizarre because they're totally different segments of the market. And totally different in price!!

Anyway the very basic kind of things goes like this (all CPUs increased in price to account for an appropriate motherboard):

An AMD A6 APU (~$135 for CPU/mobo/stock cooling/integrated graphics) is excellent for an entry level consumer/office computer. It'll be fast, peppy, have a bit of graphics oomph in a pinch, and basically do easy stuff well for cheap.

Intel competes in that segment with a dual-core Pentium like the G1610 (~$110 for CPU/mobo/stock cooling/integrated graphics). A little cheaper, weaker in terms of graphics for light gaming, fewer cores but a bit faster on each core. Again, good at casual computing for cheap.

The next tier of price looks at an AMD A8/A10 APU vs an Intel Pentium with a discrete video card, for entry-level gaming.

An AMD A8-A10 (~$210-240 for CPU/mobo/stock cooling/stronger integrated graphics) is a good all-around entry-level gamer. There are few games that won't run, but many where you'll have to turn various settings to low.

An Intel G1610 with the additional cost of, say an AMD 7770 (~$220 for CPU/mobo/stock cooling/discrete graphics card) is also an excellent entry-level gamer. It'll be stronger for many games than the AMD A8/A10 in terms of raw graphics power and core speed, but it'll also be weaker for some popular games that like a quad-core rather than dual-core CPU.

Then we go up to more expensive, more mid-level competition (Intel quad-cores, AMD CPUs for use with discrete graphics card). I'll be cutting of consideration of graphics here, as it's not needed for comparison - each CPU should be assumed to be paired with an equally-strong graphics card. I'll be assuming you plan to overclock the AMD CPUs.

Now we're looking at an overclocked AMD fx-6300 +appropriate mobo + budget cooler (~$260, but again, no graphics in that amount)

versus a locked (un-overclockable) Intel i5, like an i5-4570 (~$270 for CPU/mobo/stock cooler)

Performance between those two is roughly equal, both being quite good but not quite perfect for gaming. Going farther up you can get into overclockable i5s, which is actually a much bigger improvement than getting a usually-pointless i7 (difference between desktop i5 & i7 is just one rarely-used feature pointless for the average casual user). There are much bigger concerns for professional users who need computing power to make a living, but we don't need to go there.

That should be a MUCH more relevant series of comparisons compared to what you started with. You'll see pretty quickly that price/performance is pretty even across most budget segments right now once you take motherboard costs into consideration and know which CPUs represent what part of the market.
    
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Thanks for the info Fred. This is why it's so confusing to explain these types of things to non-builders. I've been building for a few years, and yet even that confused me a bit. Not even mentioning hyperthreading, games that don't use all cores, or overclocking, I could never get that finished in a single presentation. I really have no idea how to sum up CPUs to my audience other than:

Intel is a bit more expensive, but also more reliable. AMD is a bit cheaper and much less well known.

I wanted to be able to compare 3 well known, basic Intels to 3 basic AMDs, but even just saying "i3, i5, i7" doesn't take into account the mobile versions, the different stock clock versions, or 2nd generations, and that's just the intel side! Is there anyway to make this more basic, other than the crap sentence I wrote?
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Actually, no. And even that sentence isn't really all that accurate. AMD is quite reliable (though it doesn't have the top-end chips Intel has), and Intel is competitive when it comes to pricing.

There's really not a huge difference between the two in terms of functionality, largely because modern CPUs can handle most any casual application without breaking a sweat. If you were to break-down to the difference between the two it would be something like "Intel focuses on superior per-core performance, while AMD generally provides more cores at the same price point." But even that statement is meaningless if the audience doesn't understand that some programs need better per-core performance and some programs work better when more cores are available (parallel computing).

For instance the A6/8/10 lineup is all quad-core for AMD, while the Pentium g1610 I mention above is dual-core. The fx-6300 has six cores to the i5-4570's 4 coures, etc. But the individual Intel cores are superior to the AMD cores.

Fact of the matter is, the market determines that CPUs that perform about as well as each other cost about the same.
    
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AMD is a bit cheaper and much less well known.

Not really.
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