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I heard(no pun intended) that sound cards improve the sound of the mic
I've heard that too, but it's a lie. First, onboard and most sound cards have 3.5mm mic-in/line-in jacks, so they are typically used with 3.5mm mics, and 99% of 3.5mm mics are cheap trash mics that will sound like junk no matter what you plug them into. It doesn't make sense to buy a sound card based on the belief that it'll improve your recordings when your microphone itself is crap.

You can hook up a more expensive microphone, which typically uses an XLR jack to the 3.5mm mic-in on your onboard, which I did once using the following set up.

AKG P120 ($60 17mm XLR condenser microphone) > $30 ART Tube MP microphone preamplifier > 3.5mm mic-in or line-in (can't remember) on my onboard Realtek ALC889.

, and I have compared that setup to the following one which uses a fancier sound card (aka audiointerface)

AKG P120 > $150 Focusrite Scarlett 2i2 Audio Interface > usb port on my computer

There was no improvement in the sound of the recording, but even if you want to pretend there was, it is infinitesimal compared to the improvement that I got from switching from the Zalman mic to the AKG P120.

Therefore, if you really want "improved sound quality in your recordings", then you would be better served by getting a better microphone rather than a "better" sound card.
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I will be getting the cheap $10 clip on mic to go with my new cans. So I think a sound card is a must.
http://www.amazon.com/Zalman-Zm-Mic1-Sensitivity-Headphone-Microphone/dp/B00029MTMQ/ref=pd_sim_e_6
I've owned that Zalman you want to buy, and it sounds like junk, clips like mad, and has a thin little cord that'll rip in half if you make one mistake. Don't buy it.
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is the sound quality of the technica AD700's much better than the hd688b's?
I've owned AD700s before, but not hd688bs. When I put my $40 JVC RX700s on randomly after a month of loving the AD700s, I was floored by what I was missing basswise. The AD700s have no bass at all. It was like half the music was gone when I listened to it through the AD700s. I also tried to test how better AD700s were than RX700s for positioning in Crysis Wars, but I found them to be the same.

That said, if you're comfortable messing with an equalizer, you can get bass out of the AD700s. You might choose to do that because AD700s are as comfortable as they're hyped up to be. I didn't do it back then because I thought touching the equalizer was "unpure". I was totally ignoring the fact that every headphone kind of applies its own equalization to your sound.
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But at the same time that will have made my hd688b's come to $70 overall, for $30 extra I can get the AD700's. So is the sound quality that much better to justify going a bit more?
To me, equalized AD700s would be worth it for the comfort.
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I'm not too sure about that one. I had a mic set up like the following:

AKG P120 ($60 17mm XLR condenser microphone) > $30 ART Tube MP microphone preamplifier > 3.5mm mic-in or line-in (can't remember) on my onboard Realtek ALC889.

, and it sounded like it should have, given my recording environment and the quality of the microphone. You say that having a fancier audio interface (aka sound card) improves the mic quality. Well, I also tried to following higher-cost set up

AKG P120 > $150 Focusrite Scarlett 2i2 Audio Interface > usb port on my computer

, and the sound of the microphone did not improve. Again, it sounded like it should have. In my experience, sound cards improving mic quality is just another lie, and a really funny one to hear too because it means the sound card shills are scraping the bottom of the barrel.

As an aside, I've owned that Zalman you want to buy, and it sounds like junk, clips like mad, and has a thin little cord that'll rip in half if you make one mistake. Don't buy it.

>opinions

I have owned that Zalman mic, the cable is thin but won't snap unless you're an idiot. The quality is really good for a $5 mic that you're just gonna skype with. And if you don't shout like an idiot it won't clip, like every other mic.
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I personally would use the onboard on that board first and then decide if you like it or not.I am sure it's better than most onboard sound from the past.
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You might notice a difference, you might not... things get a bit clearer but IMO it's nothing world changing. If you have some money to spend and want to try it out, go for it. Onboard is getting pretty darn good these days though.
 
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Hmm, I guess I could keep the on board for a few months get the good pair of cans atm then save and get a $100 sound card later. That is what I will do then, ordered the clip on mic just there, and packaged up my hd668b's which go back tomorrow.

I am having a dilemma atm though, ordering the new phones to come this week. Cant decide between the AD700's or the grado SR80i's. They are both the exact same price. I was set on the AD700'S but worried that they might not be to good for music, as the lack of base.

Main use - Gaming, with a lot of music and some movies thrown in.
Music type - Metal all the way
Edited by Nocturn3 - 9/2/13 at 5:41pm
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Hmm, I guess I could keep the on board for a few months get the good pair of cans atm then save and get a $100 sound card later. That is what I will do then, ordered the clip on mic just there, and packaged up my hd668b's which go back tomorrow.

I am having a dilemma atm though, ordering the new phones to come this week. Cant decide between the AD700's or the grado SR80i's. They are both the exact same price. I was set on the AD700'S but worried that they might not be to good for music, as the lack of base.

Main use - Gaming, with a lot of music and some movies thrown in.
Music type - Metal all the way

Either headphone equalized will sound good. It just comes down to durability and comfort. The AD700s have a one-cord design (less opportunity for breakage?) and are around-the-ear while the SR80i have two cords and look like they're on-the-ear (less comfortable?).
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I recently spent around ~500 on a new sound setup from my AD700's and onboard. (I have also owned the DGX). Going from the corsair 1500 USB headset to the AD700's originally was a night and day difference in terms of quality of sound, clarity, etc.. However moving from my AD700's+onboard to my Creative ZXR and AKGQ701's was not a monumental difference, very, very subtle in my opinion. Not really worth the $500 I spent personally.

The ad700's are without a doubt the most comfortable set of cans I have ever worn. I can wear them for 8 hours straight with 0 discomfort. It's like a cloud sitting on your head, you often forget you're even wearing headphones. Super light. The new design fixed the ugly(imo) color scheme of the headphone.

The ad700's are great for any music that doesn't require heavy bass in my opinion. I love listening to female artists, classical, jazz, rock and roll, on the ad700's.

Incredibly deep, layered, airy, clear, precise, soundstage.

Only bad thing about the ad700's(imo again) is lack of bass, and by lack of bass I mean it doesn't have the impact you would get from a closed design headphone like the M50's.

AD700's are incredible for gaming due to vast, layered, soundstage.(As a competitive headphone) For immersion you may want more bass or a more isolating headphone as well.

I think headphones made the largest difference for me. DGX is and always will be a great little soundcard for its price point. My onboard audio chip is the realtek 898 if memory serves and it also seemed to produce pretty decent sound in my opinion; however it definitely was not as clean of a sound as the source coming from my ZXR or even my old DGX.
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I recently spent around ~500 on a new sound setup from my AD700's and onboard. (I have also owned the DGX). Going from the corsair 1500 USB headset to the AD700's originally was a night and day difference in terms of quality of sound, clarity, etc.. However moving from my AD700's+onboard to my Creative ZXR and AKGQ701's was not a monumental difference, very, very subtle in my opinion. Not really worth the $500 I spent personally.

The ad700's are without a doubt the most comfortable set of cans I have ever worn. I can wear them for 8 hours straight with 0 discomfort. It's like a cloud sitting on your head, you often forget you're even wearing headphones. Super light. The new design fixed the ugly(imo) color scheme of the headphone.

The ad700's are great for any music that doesn't require heavy bass in my opinion. I love listening to female artists, classical, jazz, rock and roll, on the ad700's.

Incredibly deep, layered, airy, clear, precise, soundstage.

Only bad thing about the ad700's(imo again) is lack of bass, and by lack of bass I mean it doesn't have the impact you would get from a closed design headphone like the M50's.

AD700's are incredible for gaming due to vast, layered, soundstage.(As a competitive headphone) For immersion you may want more bass or a more isolating headphone as well.

I think headphones made the largest difference for me. DGX is and always will be a great little soundcard for its price point. My onboard audio chip is the realtek 898 if memory serves and it also seemed to produce pretty decent sound in my opinion; however it definitely was not as clean of a sound as the source coming from my ZXR or even my old DGX.

Awesome ty for the advice, I will go with the AD700's and the clip on mic. Then save a few months for a sound card, if I even feel I need it.

Should I be using soundblaster cinema btw? It came with the motherboards drivers, or is it a gimmicky thing. So far, it makes things sound better, than when its turned off. Is there better programs out there, or was this designed to be used with my motherboards specific sound card?
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