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I've been using my rx700s for a couple years now and they're a bit worn out so I've been looking at other alternatives around the $100-150 price range. I primarily listen to rock and metal, so the Grado sr60i seem right up my ally; however, I really dislike the lack of isolation and the supposed sound leakage which aren't a problem with my rx700s. I've considered the m50s, but after listening to my friends they seem a bit more suited for dubstep and bass heavy music. Portability would be a huge plus though but not necessarily required.

tl;dr: budget: around 100(relative max)-150(if its worth it)
music taste: power metal/rock
wanted features: closed back/low sound leakage, comfort, portability
uses: just for music
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I have a pair of ATH-M50 headphones w/ Shure 840 earpads installed..

I replaced the pads for comfort issues (stock earpads i didn't find great personally) the Shure pads are very comfortable $14~ well spend they didn't kill the bass but the did tame it a bit

I think??? the ATH-M50s w/ Shure 840 ear pads could be nice for y'all as well.
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I have a pair of ATH-M50 headphones w/ Shure 840 earpads installed..

I replaced the pads for comfort issues (stock earpads i didn't find great personally) the Shure pads are very comfortable $14~ well spend they didn't kill the bass but the did tame it a bit

I think??? the ATH-M50s w/ Shure 840 ear pads could be nice for y'all as well.

I'd like to know of some other alternatives to the m50s, somewhere around the sub 100 price range if possible. I've been eyeing the akg k240 right now
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I would look at the DT770s 250ohm (if you have a headphone amp to drive them)
http://www.amazon.com/Beyerdynamic-770-PRO-250-ohms/dp/B0006NL5SM

You could also look at HD558s or the like:
http://www.amazon.com/Sennheiser-504631-HD-558-Headphones/dp/B004FEEY9A/ref=sr_1_1?s=electronics&ie=UTF8&qid=1378146368&sr=1-1&keywords=HD558

More known for it's good sound-staging, and rather balanced nature. With 50Ohm resistance, they don't need a headphone amp to drive them, but you will get better sound with one non-the-less.




The DT770s are brighter than the HD558s, but produce a slightly better sound overall with more bass reproduction and trebble reproduction than the HD558s. The HD558s come off as slightly warm, but lacking in bass (even in reference terms).

If you have a headphone amp, I would consider getting the DT770s 250Ohm, if not, then the HD558 might be a better choice. However, you can pick up an awesome amp/dac stack from Schiit for $200 total. ($100 for the amp, and $100 for the dac). OR you could get an Asus DGX/DG, which won't be as good quality as the Schiit stack, but provides reasonable amplification for headphones up to ~250Ohm, but your going to be having the Xonar DGX's volume setting at around 80%.

Maybe in the future you might invest into an external headphone amplifier smile.gif
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I would look at the DT770s 250ohm (if you have a headphone amp to drive them)
http://www.amazon.com/Beyerdynamic-770-PRO-250-ohms/dp/B0006NL5SM

You could also look at HD558s or the like:
http://www.amazon.com/Sennheiser-504631-HD-558-Headphones/dp/B004FEEY9A/ref=sr_1_1?s=electronics&ie=UTF8&qid=1378146368&sr=1-1&keywords=HD558

More known for it's good sound-staging, and rather balanced nature. With 50Ohm resistance, they don't need a headphone amp to drive them, but you will get better sound with one non-the-less.




The DT770s are brighter than the HD558s, but produce a slightly better sound overall with more bass reproduction and trebble reproduction than the HD558s. The HD558s come off as slightly warm, but lacking in bass (even in reference terms).

If you have a headphone amp, I would consider getting the DT770s 250Ohm, if not, then the HD558 might be a better choice. However, you can pick up an awesome amp/dac stack from Schiit for $200 total. ($100 for the amp, and $100 for the dac). OR you could get an Asus DGX/DG, which won't be as good quality as the Schiit stack, but provides reasonable amplification for headphones up to ~250Ohm, but your going to be having the Xonar DGX's volume setting at around 80%.

Maybe in the future you might invest into an external headphone amplifier smile.gif

I wouldn't mind purchasing a dac or amp, but if I were to I'd prefer something portable to use with my laptop as well. The hd 558s look pretty good, but the dt770s are way out of my price range.

What about the hfi-780s or krk kns8400?
Edited by Morizuno - 9/2/13 at 11:57am
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I would look at the DT770s 250ohm (if you have a headphone amp to drive them)
http://www.amazon.com/Beyerdynamic-770-PRO-250-ohms/dp/B0006NL5SM

You could also look at HD558s or the like:
http://www.amazon.com/Sennheiser-504631-HD-558-Headphones/dp/B004FEEY9A/ref=sr_1_1?s=electronics&ie=UTF8&qid=1378146368&sr=1-1&keywords=HD558

More known for it's good sound-staging, and rather balanced nature. With 50Ohm resistance, they don't need a headphone amp to drive them, but you will get better sound with one non-the-less.




The DT770s are brighter than the HD558s, but produce a slightly better sound overall with more bass reproduction and trebble reproduction than the HD558s. The HD558s come off as slightly warm, but lacking in bass (even in reference terms).

If you have a headphone amp, I would consider getting the DT770s 250Ohm, if not, then the HD558 might be a better choice. However, you can pick up an awesome amp/dac stack from Schiit for $200 total. ($100 for the amp, and $100 for the dac). OR you could get an Asus DGX/DG, which won't be as good quality as the Schiit stack, but provides reasonable amplification for headphones up to ~250Ohm, but your going to be having the Xonar DGX's volume setting at around 80%.

Maybe in the future you might invest into an external headphone amplifier smile.gif

I wouldn't mind purchasing a dac or amp, but if I were to I'd prefer something portable to use with my laptop as well. The hd 558s look pretty good, but the dt770s are way out of my price range.

What about the hfi-780s or krk kns8400?

If you want portable dac+amp the Schiit Modi/Magni combo is probably the best bang for your buck you can get right now.
http://schiit.com/products/magni
http://schiit.com/products/modi

The HD558s are open-backed, which means sound leakage at high volumes - but also greater balanced sound/sound staging/sharper bass.

IMO, the HFI 780s are even more accentuated than the DT770s in terms of being unbalanced in the mids. They have pronounced lower frequencies, and recessed mids. Which can be very bad sounding for acoustic/rock/metal as rock and metal tends to have the most sound in the lower-mids and high-ends. (Particularly 500->100hz). All of this can be EQ'ed out, but in theory you want headphones that are as flat as possible. They do have very low resistance at 35 Ohms though.

The KRK KNS8400, while having good sound staging for semi-closed headphones and decent highs. The lows/low-mids are lacking, which seems like it would be a problem for you. Overall good headphones, but they require some amplification to get the most out of them as like the DT770 250 Ohm.
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Why are we still pushing Schitt products when they are known con men? http://nwavguy.blogspot.com/2011/07/banned-at-head-fi.html
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Why are we still pushing Schitt product when they are known con men? http://nwavguy.blogspot.com/2011/07/banned-at-head-fi.html

Never heard a story like that before, and the Asgard is old and has since been replaced. I do not think that 1 fault product out of thousands makes a company 'con artists'. And you should really look into the thousands of HAPPY customers with their products. Not to mention the fact that I was not recommending the Asgard II (which has fixed almost all problems of the Asgard I btw) as it is much too expensive. Also you should read the comments of that link you posted, I cannot quote them for OCNs-sake.

Also Schiit later commented this:

Quote:
Jason made a response later in the thread that deserves a nod (nwavguy was banned before this):

"Hey guys,



To clear things up:



1. Lyr has a 20 second relay-switched delayed output and immediate relay mute on turn-off. It's a running change we made in production.

2. From the start, we've always urged extreme caution with Lyr, and we have never recommended it for high-sensitivity headphones.

3. Relying on any form of protection--relay delays, microprocessor-controlled DC monitoring systems, whatever--can still bite you, when and if there's a failure in the system. And all of them (to us, at least) involve sonic compromise. That's why you'll typically find many of the highest-dollar components out there running naked, so to speak.



That said, we now understand that the precautions common to ultra-high-end (where it's well-known that turning on your multi-kilobuck amp before you turn on your multi-kilobuck preamp may involve having a very bad day) simply won't fly with inexpensive gear, so we're making the changes necessary to have our stuff be as user-friendly as possible.



Asgards will now ship with the same relay mute as Lyr, when we are back in stock. We will also offer a retrofit relay mute for Asgard and Lyr, for customers who want the convenience, and install it on any current owner's amp for free. I am still conflicted on relays, since it means another contact in the signal path, relay contact degradation over time, and the possible reliability hit (there's a joke in high-end that if something's broken, it's probably a relay.) That said, I think we have identified an acceptably reliable, least-sonic-impact solution.



And--to complete the trio--Valhalla's inherently slow turn-on (tube outputs) negates the need for a relay.



All the best,

Jason"

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