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Hey,

I'm helping my best mate finnaly building him a decent pc. The one he has got at the moment is utter crap.
He first wanted to order some pre built AMD-system for around 600-700€, then i told him to not do it as i will make him a custom pc !

He already decided on the case, and it has good air flow and fits every mobo/gpu u can put in there, i've just forgotten wich one it is...
This is what i have adviced him to order:

Intel Core i5 2500K (Socket 1155, 3.30Ghz, 6MB, Boxed)
Wijzigen € 178,50 € 178,50

Scythe Mugen 2 Rev. B CPU Cooling (Alle Sockets)
Wijzigen € 34,00 € 34,00

Asus P8Z68-V PRO GEN3 (Socket 1155)
Wijzigen € 91,00 € 91,00

Corsair 4GB PC3-12800 Vengeance DDR3 SDRAM (1x 4GB, 1600MHz, CL9)
Wijzigen € 36,51 € 36,51

MSI ATI Radeon HD7850 2GB DDR5 OC (PCI-e)
Wijzigen € 135,00 € 135,00

Crucial 128GB M4 Solid State Drive (SATA-600, 2.5")
Wijzigen € 102,99 € 102,99

Seasonic 650W G-Serie voeding
Wijzigen € 105,27 € 105,27

TOTAL: 683.27

NOW my question is: should i advice him to get the equivalent IB or Haswell cpu & mobo ? I'm planning on OC'in his system(ive basically got the same build OC'd to 4.8 Stable) and i've heard heat can be a problem on those.
If so, will it be in the same price range ? (havn't checked on those prices yet)

Is there another cooler you could advice me for that price range that is equally good/better ?(mine does just fine so i'm just giving him the same^^)

Note: i'll be offering him a 2nd piece of RAM and 1TB HDD for his bday smile.gif

I've also thought about building him an AMD system as he could get a better GPU with the same budget but i'm not so familiar with AMD, so any advice would be appreciated !

Greetz wink.gif
post #2 of 15
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Lol is this setup so optimal for it's price that noone has anything to add or wut :O ?

I've looked up a bit on IB & Haswell and came to the conclusion it's not worth it for him, and that it doens't really make a difference as 2500K OC's higher then 3570K but 3570K performs a bit better so it's kind of the same performance. Can anyone comfirm this ?

Anyways an AMD-alternative would still be nice to hear smile.gif And simply an overall judgement of the whole smile.gif
post #3 of 15
2500k is an awesome chip, but it's probably a bit late to buy it unless you're getting a really good price on it.
Haswell and an i5 4670k might be a better option at this point but, being 2 years newer too.
Up to you but.
   
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post #4 of 15
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Thanks for the reply smile.gif I've asked him if he would consider a newer generation cpu but he didn't want to go over that budget so i really don't have choice...

I'm pretty sure an OC'd 2500K won't cause any trouble in the near future(lets say 3+ years) if he only plays games(1080p, doesnt care about ultra settings, just some good graphics) and produces music right ?
post #5 of 15
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Originally Posted by Tkief752 View Post

Thanks for the reply smile.gif I've asked him if he would consider a newer generation cpu but he didn't want to go over that budget so i really don't have choice...

I'm pretty sure an OC'd 2500K won't cause any trouble in the near future(lets say 3+ years) if he only plays games(1080p, doesnt care about ultra settings, just some good graphics) and produces music right ?

Not sure where you are, but where i am, the price difference between an Ivy Bridge i5 3570k and a Haswell i5 4670k is $12 at the moment, so it's really not very much when you think about it.
And a B85 LGA1150 Haswell board is around the same price as a B75 LGA1155 board. So the price gap isnt large at all.

Anyway, as for your 2500k, many would still recommend it including myself. Though it's a couple years old it still hols up terrific, especially for gaming and no doubt even better when overclocked. I've got mine overclocked to 4.3Ghz, and they're quite easy to overclock too. Raise the multiplier, set a voltage (or let the motherboard decide on one) and you're good to go. Pair it up with a nice GPU and 1080p gaming should be no issue for years to come. I dont play games at anything but 1920x1080, and the i5 doesn't look like the bottleneck to a GTX 560 Ti either.

Edit: If you're planning to overclock any higher than 4Ghz you might want to add an aftermarket CPU cooler.
Edited by PoisonousRakija - 9/3/13 at 2:31pm
   
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post #6 of 15
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Yeah the price between 2500K + mobo and 4670K + mobo is around 40-60€ depending on the mobo you get... The thing is if i want to OC his haswell i'll probably have to go with a noctua or phanteks cooler... I can't go with a cheap decent cooler like the scythe mugen 2 if i'll want to OC that haswell(or any other decent cooler that costs around 35€)

So the price difference would be about 100€ and atm my mate just can't pull that off.

Thanks for the advice but due to his limited budget i won't be able to get him a haswell or IB system... should have figured that out by myself i guess biggrin.gif
post #7 of 15
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Originally Posted by Tkief752 View Post

Yeah the price between 2500K + mobo and 4670K + mobo is around 40-60€ depending on the mobo you get... The thing is if i want to OC his haswell i'll probably have to go with a noctua or phanteks cooler... I can't go with a cheap decent cooler like the scythe mugen 2 if i'll want to OC that haswell(or any other decent cooler that costs around 35€)

So the price difference would be about 100€ and atm my mate just can't pull that off.

Thanks for the advice but due to his limited budget i won't be able to get him a haswell or IB system... should have figured that out by myself i guess biggrin.gif

True man, it does add up as you said.
Hey, the 2500k is still an awesome choice, regardless of the newest stuff your mate won't be disappointed either way.
You should be able to do 4ghz with the stock cooler, but it depends on how you overclock it and how much voltage it needs.
   
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OP Since the title of the thread is gaming rig there are a few changes I recommend. a stock haswell is more than enough for the latest games. focus on the GPU. thats the primary driving factor for gaming experience.

1. get a non k haswell CPU and a H87 or B85 motherboard.
2. stick to the stock cpu cooler
3. if available go for a rosewill capstone 450 . high quality PSU with 37A on +12v rail. more than enough for even HD 7950. alternatives Seasonic G550. for single GPU machines 550w is more than enough. for multi GPU 750w is required. 650W is in no man's land.
4. try and fit in a HD 7950 if possible.

which country are you from ? can see if I can work out a build for you ?
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post #9 of 15
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Hey raghu smile.gif

I've been thinking about giving him my GTX460(i'll be buying a new one) instead of 1TB HDD and an extra 4GB RAM(as he doesnt really need 8GB and he has already a HDD, just smaller and ****tier biggrin.gif) because he can actually only spend 600€ instead of 700...(on all the parts listed in the OP)

Quick calculation: price now is 683, the case is 55€(dont worry it's very good) wich adds up to 738. substract 135€ for the HD7850 and that's 600€ smile.gif

On top of that i still have my old i5 760(with MSI P55-GD85) laying around(only used it for 1 year XD) wich could save him 300€ to put in a better graphic card instead of getting my GTX460. He'll need some decent cooling then like aH100i or so. I have no clue wether it will still be a viable option in the next 3 years though... so any opinion on that would be valued.

On the other hand your proposition seems quite nice but i DO think he needs a cooler... his room gets VERY hot... i don't know though, you tell me if 25-30°C(only during summer wich is now) is to hot for room temperature on haswell.
See if you can work out anything for me. I live in belgium, any shop from the netherlands will do aswell(i would like to get the stuff there instead of it getting sent, bad experience with delivery by mail), i go there every week so yeah smile.gif

So in the end we'll compare a i5 760 @ 4Ghz(i got it to that speed before) with 200€ GPU and watercooling or 250€GPU and quality air cooling TO a stock haswell with ???€ GPU. I do think he'll need the 650W for a i5 760 though. And the last option: the current system with a GTX 460 since his budget became smaller...

Could also still get him extra 4GB RAM and HDD for the i5 760 and the haswell setup(since not giving my gtx 460)

Damn i rewrote this post so many times... it's getting complicated now haha ^^

Don't forget: this build isnt for me it's for my best mate if you have read over that info tongue.gif(so you dont get confused by this post)

Any input GREATLY appreciated smile.gif

EDIT: OMG YOU GUYS FROM US PAY A CRAPLOAD LESS --' 174€ for a HD7950 while here it is goddamn 220 so if you could actually get it delivered from the US(from a trusted source !!!) for those cheap prices use the prices from the shops over there smile.gif
Edited by Tkief752 - 9/4/13 at 10:35am
post #10 of 15
tk
I didn't completely understand what are the setups. anyway these are the component prices. also there is no way even a core i5 760 at 4 ghz needs more than a quality 500w psu .

core i5 4570 - 183
http://www.alternate.nl/Intel%28R%29/Intel%28R%29+Core%28TM%29_i5-4570/html/product/1063386/?tk=7&lk=9492

ASROCK B85 - 63
http://www.alternate.nl/ASRock/ASRock+B85M-HDS/html/product/1081142/?tk=7&lk=9450

Seasonic M2II 520 PSU - 73
http://www.alternate.nl/Seasonic/Seasonic+M12II-520Bronze_%28SS-520GM%29,_520_Watt_voeding/html/product/143540/

there is a 55 euros savings compared to your build. if your friend's budget is 600 euros i guess he could buy your GTX 460 from you for 55 euros. thumb.gif Also I question the decision to go for SSD on such a low budget PC.

if you want to sell your core i5 760 with MB to him I would suggest you give it for a good price. a max of 130 euros would be fair enough given the core i5 760 is a very old CPU. you can go for haswell

If you want to keep your CPU and MB , for a gaming PC i suggest a better use of money for your friend. go for FX-6300

FX-6300 - 110
http://www.alternate.nl/html/product/1038200

ASROCK 970 - 65
http://www.alternate.nl/ASRock/ASRock+970_Pro3_R2.0/html/product/1075727/?tk=7&lk=9432

In modern games the FX-6300 does quite well. you can overclock it to 4 Ghz on the stock cooler which is equal to FX-6350 performance. that should be enough for the latest games.

http://www.techspot.com/review/670-metro-last-light-performance/page6.html
http://www.techspot.com/review/689-company-of-heroes-2-performance/page4.html
http://www.techspot.com/review/615-far-cry-3-performance/page6.html
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