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How many of these Antec 200mm fans did you buy so far? Your gonna clean them out.
    
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I bought 4. I was double billed--which I did try to correct but I got a Richard Head on the phone and he did not seem terribly interested. So sure enough I just got an email today that I have 2 more arriving. They are extremely nice fans. Before I got into water-cooling I was a total fan geek--all up on the latest greatest had to have fans and these are that.

That and the 250 I got should make cooling a double rad array of 2x120 pretty easy. I was thinking of doing parallel rads since I have so much room in ICE under the mobo tray. Until someone mills me an intermediary block for the evap head I am gonna just use a conventional (LOL) WCing loop--but I want to use one rad for the GPUs and one Rad for the HDDs (yup) and Chipset. I think a pair of the D-5s would futureproof me. And you don't need to ask what rads I will be using LOL. ICE is all about over-chill. This is no immediate upgrade...just something I am accumulating gear for.
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I want to thank WarAnakin again for the thread and links to the 7.1 XG drivers.
Righ toff the bat they cured the wierd flaw in ATI OVerdrive--my Core and Memory are overclocking for real at last. Seeing actual improvements as I raise the clocks. I just got 9089 in 3DMark06--this running 4 sticks of DDR2 667 on the 1333 FSB Strap using the latest Beta BIOS. The RAM is running great at somewhat less than it's true maximum. I have the CPU up to 4005 at maximum Voltage and the Chipset is running at 1.92, less than I needed for the Crucial RAM.

Screenies to come--still shooting for 10K!

EDIT: 9093 so far--the rig loves the G Skill DDR2 667--this is some great RAM (I thnk I might have said that LOL)
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I am already seeing better benchmarks and faster Super Pi times!

The RAM I got is F2-8000PHU2-2GBHZ with 4 4 4 5 timings.

No troubles like the Crucial on this board this time. Before inserting the RAM I made sure to set the timings manually and have the volatge up to spec.

Just beat my SupePi @ 4005mhz!

12.672

Had to slack off tRTC from 4 to 5 to get it to run Super Pi...but still a big improvement.

After a few odd things I backed down to 3807 left the timings at 4 4 4 5 and am currently 22 minutes into Orthos. Looking good. Going to run Orthos the rest of the day at 3800 to burn in the RAM before going nuts.
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Here are some recent benchmarks with the latest RAM. Been folding for 2 days now at 3800mhz without errors.

First attachment: SuperPi 1m time: 12.672 @ 4005mhz running the G Skill in Dual Channel

Second attachment: Max OC--not stable--4050mhz

Third attachment: 9010 3DMark06 score at 4005mhz with Cu

Fourth attachment: 9041 3DMark06 score at 3800 (current state) with G Skill

Fifth attachment: 8 hours stable in Orthos at 3500--this with DDR2 667 RAM.

I will be performing stability tests.

ATM I am Folding two days solid at 3800 with the G Skill. Orhtos fails after a little over an hour--but I am thinking that some more RAM tweaks may change that.

Right now I am enjoying a Damn Fast Rig that is stable enough to Fold while simultaneously working several apps at once.




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Today I brought Ice back up to 4 G and beyond for some more runs at Super Pi and 3DMark06.

Cracked off several runs at 4043 and below. I also gave the 1333 NB strap a few tries but the marks were lower so I moved on.

Having a real time trying to run the RAM at 1000. Any use of a divider beside 1:1 would lock up the board and require a pop of the battery and so forth.

Many hours later I was able to determine that the RAM will likely run at 100, but the BIOS will not support it.

I then turned my attentions to RAM timings as there seemed to be no way to increase my scores. The Abit does not seem to like a lower multi either. CPU-Z reports it as x 9 regardless.
In the 1333 strap CPU-Z does not know what to make of the RAM timings and memset does not work either--so all the tweaking was done in the 1066 strap.

I turned the RAM volts up from 2.45 to 2.55 and this definitely stabilized boots into XP past 4005mhz. Not sure about the long term effects of the overvolting to the RAM.

While trying for the fastest Super Pi times I tried small adjustments to the timings with memset. From 4 5 4 6 which is how I have it set in BIOS to assure botting into XP I tweaked it to 4 4 4 5, 4 5 4 5, 4 3 4 6. and 5 5 5 7. Changing the first value resulted in an immediate blackscreen. I was surprised to find that the timings seemed to have little correalation with the Super Pi times. But they did have some effect on stability.

At anything much above 3800 Orthos is a no go--so I am gauging stability by whether or not I could make it through 3DMark06 without crashing. The best timings for that seem to be 4 5 4 6.

Right now I am seeing how well the rig will Fold at 3979. So far it is going along without a hiccup. Could very well be that the stress of Folding is not great enough to create any issues...we will see.

Currently I have the Voltage at max for everything. 1.675 Core 2.0 MCH 2,55 RAM.

Going to carefully watch how the rig handles this for the next few hours.


Here's some screenshots of my efforts from today.

I am especially pleased with the mid twelves in Super Pi.



And breaking into 9103 with 3DMark06 is kinda nice... even though it's only anoth 6 points lol.



Here's three runs at 4005mhz with different RAM timings all yielding the same Super Pi time.



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My eyebulbs have feasted upon your smorgasbord of pics - WOW!

A very good example of custom fabrication, and ingenuity.
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Thanks. TBH this thread is a mess. And I have no clue how to make it any less cluttered or easier to navigate.

So I just keep piling more and more documentation into it LOL.

Sometime or another I want to upgrade the GFX cards. I am waitng for something really outrageous from ATI before I move up. Once I upgrade the GFX I want to add a watercooling loop to ICE. I have the room under the mobo tray. I was thinking a pair of 200mm fans pushing through a PA160 would do the trick and be pretty quiet.

If I can get a special block made I want to try out an intermediary chiller block between the evap head and CPU to cool down the chipset and GFX cards...not sure how in the world I could do that with the heatpiped system on the Abit. Also the chiller lines would have to be foam lined so I am thinking no larger than 3/8" line or else it's going to be a monstrosity. Right now the straight watercooling is more appealling because it could be pretty. I could put UV leds on the GFX blocks and use PrimoChill. Maybe even a pair of smaller UV CCL tubes to help it pop out..

I really like the idea of a Phase/WaterCooled combo. Then I would be making use of the huge space of the case and having such an enormous box would make more sense (lol).
Leaving the phase to cool just the CPU means no worries about wierd condensation issues fromt he cards or lines and max cooling to the processor.

So I am having no issues Folding at nearly 4 ghz now for several hours. The phase unit is a little louder since it is working a lot harder--but the evap head temp is still at -37C which is a good thing.

I am hoping that this increase in speed will not prove harmful for long term runs.

As much as I would like to have an Orthos-stable rig at this speed I will take what I can get--if it pops out WUs a little faster without crashing that's good enough.

As it is I have been doing some light graphics apps, browsing, transfering some files--and all is well...no glitches or hitches.
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hmmm....

I do believe that your mind is a playground full of wonderous ideas...

I have yet to make a foray into W/C or Phase... soon. Very soon. Seeing your custom designs and building efforts helps to dispell the mystery and trepidation. Thank you for sharing.
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I found it easier to make a box around my system than force my system into a box LOL.

Most phasers use a case they can set on top or beside the phase unit--strapped on with velcro r something like that. The Vapochill units are kinda nicer than that..but the point is why spend close to a grand and have something that is all juryrigged together.

Might as well do it from scratch and make it large enough to actually work on.

With ICE I just lift off the table top and there it is--I can lean down and pop the CMOS battery or whatever (been doing that a lot today)--I like having the mobo tray on the flat so it's easy to get at.
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