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Stop your blind fanboyism for Intel and X79 specifically. Enough is enough

i3 = Garbage. Watch it choke in every single game out there

I'll apply a better analogy then, it's like saying a Chevrolet Corvette ZR1 is bad because it has less horsepower per liter than a F458. thing is it's so much cheaper than a F458 and it's just as fast round the corners
You could say the F458 is the 3570k

Build quality on a corvette is not on par with Ferrari f458.

Have you even looked at both cars in person?

Corvette could have more speed, but the Ferrari is just jaw dropping and fast enough for pretty much everyone. If you can't appreciate fine craftsmanship, elegance and class. Then I guess a modded civic that can beat a Ferrari on straight line is for you. That way you can say my civic is better than your Ferrari because is faster on a 1/4 mile.


Stop with your car analogies, they do not apply here. These are processors.
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Build quality on a corvette is not on par with Ferrari f458.

Have you even looked at both cars in person?

Corvette could have more speed, but the Ferrari is just jaw dropping and fast enough for pretty much everyone. If you can't appreciate fine craftsmanship, elegance and class. Then I guess a modded civic that can beat a Ferrari on straight line is for you. That way you can say my civic is better than your Ferrari because is faster on a 1/4 mile.


Stop with your car analogies, they do not apply here. These are processors.
Aside from build quality -_- In case you are forgetting we are talking about PERFORMANCE. Why would i apply build quality
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Aside from build quality -_- In case you are forgetting we are talking about PERFORMANCE. Why would i apply build quality

Exactly why Car analogies don't apply here. Duh!!
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If you think a Ferrari f458 looks better then a Corvette ZR1 then doh.gif
Build Quality sure, but that would be it.




Though so many people in this tread have no idea what they are talking about.
OP made a fine choice for a HTPC, My HTPC has a q9550 @4ghz. Though it seconds as a gaming rig for my TV as well, maybe OP was thinking down the same line. Who knows when OP might want to play some Grid 2 or something.

Though people that think the 8320 is a weak chip makes me laugh. More multithread performance for less single thread, will hold up better in the future. Overclocked the 8320 would give any non k i5 a run for their money, and single thread difference isn't that great when you compare a 8320 @ 4.6-4.8ghz to a stock non k i5. Really you need to look at this on a price/performance scale. AMD owns the performance crown in the price points they aim for.

The FX6300 is faster then a i3 3220 at stock, I know cause my bro has a i3 3220 and I just built a fx6300 build for a friend. Overclock the FX6300 makes the i3 look like a play toy on anything that isn't stickily single thread. AMD CPU's ATM may not be the best when it comes to the amount of power used, but AMD also doesn't have the Fab's Intel has. The i3 these days would have trouble competing against a stock fx6350 in most games. Yet cost is about the same.
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If you think a Ferrari f458 looks better then a Corvette ZR1 then doh.gif
Build Quality sure, but that would be it.




Though so many people in this tread have no idea what they are talking about.
OP made a fine choice for a HTPC, My HTPC has a q9550 @4ghz. Though it seconds as a gaming rig for my TV as well, maybe OP was thinking down the same line. Who knows when OP might want to play some Grid 2 or something.

Though people that think the 8320 is a weak chip makes me laugh. More multithread performance for less single thread, will hold up better in the future. Overclocked the 8320 would give any non k i5 a run for their money, and single thread difference isn't that great when you compare a 8320 @ 4.6-4.8ghz to a stock non k i5. Really you need to look at this on a price/performance scale. AMD owns the performance crown in the price points they aim for.

The FX6300 is faster then a i3 3220 at stock, I know cause my bro has a i3 3220 and I just built a fx6300 build for a friend. Overclock the FX6300 makes the i3 look like a play toy on anything that isn't stickily single thread. AMD CPU's ATM may not be the best when it comes to the amount of power used, but AMD also doesn't have the Fab's Intel has. The i3 these days would have trouble competing against a stock fx6350 in most games. Yet cost is about the same.
Zr1 is NMice but not as Nice as a F458, don't let pictures fool you.

Your HTPC was not built on a standard ATX case, it actually looks like its tucked underneath an xbox. The point is that for different needs, different cpu, but there are more otions on the intel side. It's not that the 3820 itself is slow or bad, is the hardware around it that holds it down. My game capture pc/HTPC is on a ATX case, which looks silly next to my TV. When I brought the system home, i figured I just get a mini itx case and board and call it a day. NOPE, no such thing exists for AM3+
Edited by LaBestiaHumana - 9/6/13 at 4:47am
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Zr1 is NMice but not as Nice as a F458, don't let pictures fool you.

Your HTPC was not built on a standard ATX case, it actually looks like its tucked underneath an xbox. The point is that for different needs, different cpu, but there are more otions on the intel side. It's not that the 3820 itself is slow or bad, is the hardware around it that holds it down. My game capture pc/HTPC is on a ATX case, which looks silly next to my TV. When I brought the system home, i figured I just get a mini itx case and board and call it a day. NOPE, no such thing exists for AM3+

IT's a ATX HTPC case, and while I do understand the need for mini itx and micro atx HTPC builds I bet OP knew what he was getting when he get his 8320. There still are plenty of ATX HTPC cases, even though they are kinda big and sometimes may need to be modded like mine, options are still there.

If he wanted a itx build he probably would have gone with a A10. For a Powerful HTPC that might be used for gaming in the future the 8320 is a pretty solid chip. Even though I probably would have gone the fx6300 route myself. Personally AMD needs a APU that packs 3 modules, and until then even I wouldn't get one.
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IT's a ATX HTPC case, and while I do understand the need for mini itx and micro atx HTPC builds I bet OP knew what he was getting when he get his 8320. There still are plenty of ATX HTPC cases, even though they are kinda big and sometimes may need to be modded like mine, options are still there.

If he wanted a itx build he probably would have gone with a A10. For a Powerful HTPC that might be used for gaming in the future the 8320 is a pretty solid chip. Even though I probably would have gone the fx6300 route myself. Personally AMD needs a APU that packs 3 modules, and until then even I wouldn't get one.

Could you send me the model of that ATX case? I need something similar for my Amd rig. As this case is killing me.

It all depends on the individual. Some people with Corosshair boards and 8350 are doing just fine. It all depends on the individual. If you look back on the posts you can see why the AM3+ platform turns me off.
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No, 8320 is not a BMW period.

Look, if you're happy with your 8320. That's all it matters. If in your eyes is a v8 Ferrari that's good.

You just said whatever suits the needs for an individual. An i3 cost less than a 8320.

Lets say I wanna build a home theater PC? Just because the 8320 has a wimpy cores does not mean I'm putting an big atx case in my living room, while a mini itx small form factor case with an i3 or an i5 can get the job done. Get the point? Or is that gonna be another excuse???
BMW is a nice medium-high brand. Nothing extravagant. BMW 3 Series is not a high end car it's a normal medium car. So I don't understand why the 8320 can't be compared to this car.

Individual needs in terms of what kind of system you want. A mini HTPC or a normal desktop system. Now you understand??
The FX 8320 is not suited for a home theater from the start. It's a 125W CPU and is bet suited for normal PC's. The fact that the 8320 is not an option in some cases doesn't make it bad.
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Back on topic, without analogies... the FX 8320 is a great CPU, at a great price currently... $145 on Amazon. I want one just to play with it but I have too many practical things to spend my money on for the next few months. Great for desktop or HTPC.

Most tech geeks get hung up on synthetic benchmarks or gaming benchmarks at super low resolution to show differences in performance. I prefer to see real world performance... I encode video quite often at times and multi threaded CPUs like the FX 8320 will rip through these functions very, very well. I also game at 1920 x 1080 resolution with effects on high and some AA enabled. I don't care what frame rates I would get at 1024 x 768, I don't play at those horrible resolutions anymore, lol.

As a result I don't go to many benchmark websites any more because they are mostly Intel shills because Intel ponies up for the good reviews. I prefer to wait for real world benchmarks by people who actually own the chip and run it on a daily basis. There are many of these such threads here on OCN if you look for them... they provide the true story of AMD's CPU capabilities without bias (usually) and without the usual 'set up to fail' benchmarks that is not a measure of how you would use your CPU when you buy it.

Why put any stock in benchmarks that do not represent how you would use the CPU in your daily routine? That's simply pointless.
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BMW is a nice medium-high brand. Nothing extravagant. BMW 3 Series is not a high end car it's a normal medium car. So I don't understand why the 8320 can't be compared to this car.

Individual needs in terms of what kind of system you want. A mini HTPC or a normal desktop system. Now you understand??
The FX 8320 is not suited for a home theater from the start. It's a 125W CPU and is bet suited for normal PC's. The fact that the 8320 is not an option in some cases doesn't make it bad.

You just said it yourself BMW is mid To High End, while thje FX 8320 is at the other end of the spectrum Low priced and economical. MId to low end. Thats why you cant use the BMW analogies. Just dont use the car analogies period.

I never said the 8320 was a bad chip. Just not as versatile as an i5. i5 can be used on normal pcs or on a mini itx board for htpc. I'm glad were finally on the same page.
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