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OP, I looked at a dual graphics setup (AMD's name for the hybrid crossfire setup you're thinking of) for a long time. It just doesn't add up in the end. It only scales in some games, and often is no better than a better gaming CPU with a dedicated GPU. A 6670 with GDDR5 is already pretty good in its own right--as is the IGP on the 6800K. Surprisingly, they may not give you much more in combination than they would separately.

If you're going to go with the 6670, I agree, consider the 6300 or 6350 and get more processor for the same buck. FM2 may be a dead-end socket too. On the other hand, if you go with the APU, definitely spend more for higher RAM bandwidth since it's been shown to benefit the integrated graphics, especially with overclocking.

Regarding PSUs, both of the value options you're looking at are actually made by bulk OEM manufacturers--Delta Electronics for the Antec and HEC for the Thermaltake. They both make tons of fairly undistinguished parts for other OEMs like Dell and HP. I would go with the Thermaltake just based on an average of 4+ eggs with over 2,000 reviews on Newegg, rather than the Antec which is much less reviewed. Or save a little money on the CPU and buy a better power supply, the CX430M, which has partial cable modularity, a single 12V rail, and better efficiency.

EDIT: Here's a more recent review of dual graphics. May be worth it since you've already got the 6670...but will really depend on anticipated game titles.

Additional thought: the Crucial m4 is a great disk. I have been beating the crap out of mine with OS installs and reinstalls for overclocking for over a year now and love it.

Thanks for the link. I think, even with smallish gains, the "dual graphics" set up still would be my best bet. The 6670 has been sitting unused for 6 months. As eXXon and you have both pointed out, and the article states, it does appear that maxing out RAM speeds is super beneficial, and I will drop the extra $50.00 on the 1866 kit and overclock the dog snot out if it. I have had good luck overclocking the corsair vengeance in the past. As far as the PSU goes, I will probably decide based upon what is actually on the shelf the day I walk in, but at least now I know what two bottom end PSU's will be acceptable, and that I could move up a notch for a few more bucks.

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I'd suggest at least 8GB of RAM.

I fully support you wanting to buy from a brick and mortar store, but I doubt they'll have good enough selection of RAM at reasonable prices for this APU build.

I'd suggest getting a good pair of RAM for REALLY CHEAP from newegg. Although I'll see if I can find a alternative in microcenter.

RAM($54) - G.SKILL Ares Series 8GB (2 x 4GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 2133
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820231653

Cheapest alternative is this.

http://www.microcenter.com/product/355881/Vengeance_Series_8GB_DDR3-1866_%28PC3-15000%29_CL9_Dual_Channel_Desktop_Memory_Kit_%28Two_4GB_Memory_Modules%29

APU's are really powerful(I use one myself, and it runs cube world/minecraft great) but they need fast RAM to shine. ESPECIALLY the A10 series. So that's why I'm suggesting the cheaper/faster RAM alternative.

I doubt you'll need to crossfire with the 6670, which is very finnicky still and I doubt it's worth the hassle.

*edit* it's also very important for minecraft currently that you KILL the launcher in task manager after starting the game. It has a bug at the moment which can let it run wild on your CPU. Potentially hogging up all the cores for no reason, which also makes minecraft run terribly.
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I'd suggest at least 8GB of RAM.

I fully support you wanting to buy from a brick and mortar store, but I doubt they'll have good enough selection of RAM at reasonable prices for this APU build.

I'd suggest getting a good pair of RAM for REALLY CHEAP from newegg. Although I'll see if I can find a alternative in microcenter.

RAM($54) - G.SKILL Ares Series 8GB (2 x 4GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 2133
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820231653

Cheapest alternative is this.

http://www.microcenter.com/product/355881/Vengeance_Series_8GB_DDR3-1866_%28PC3-15000%29_CL9_Dual_Channel_Desktop_Memory_Kit_%28Two_4GB_Memory_Modules%29

APU's are really powerful(I use one myself, and it runs cube world/minecraft great) but they need fast RAM to shine. ESPECIALLY the A10 series. So that's why I'm suggesting the cheaper/faster RAM alternative.

I doubt you'll need to crossfire with the 6670, which is very finnicky still and I doubt it's worth the hassle.

*edit* it's also very important for minecraft currently that you KILL the launcher in task manager after starting the game. It has a bug at the moment which can let it run wild on your CPU. Potentially hogging up all the cores for no reason, which also makes minecraft run terribly.

The RAM you suggested is the kit that I have been led to by others in this thread for purchase at microcenter, that is the one I am going for, all the reviews I have read about its overclockability have stated that it hits 2133 with no problems. Corsair is also a name brand I trust, I have had real good luck with their products, and their customer service is remarkable.

Unfortunately, I am going to have to put this build off for about a month. My wife woke up this morning and stepped on her laptop, cracking the screen and doing undiagnosed damage to the guts( I hooked it up to an old CRT and it would not show anything) so we are heading to microcenter in about an hour to pick up a i3 ultrabook for her. She was really due for an upgrade from the atom based "aspire one" anyway...I hated that little piece of crap.
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post #14 of 14
Just make sure to use 2 sticks in dual channel and 1600 or faster for the apu.

I agree 6300 and 970 mb would be better
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