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no hyper-threading? but the big thing here is that it actually has a dual channel controller! does it support out-of-order too?

if lenovo puts bay trail in a tablet with a stylus, I'm jumping on that boat ASAP.

yes they do support out of order.

I've been waiting to see some news on Bay Trail for months! The previous Atom CPU's are nothing to judge Bay Trail by now that Intel has really put some focus into these things.

Also, I don't think you'll be seeing HT on the quad core Bay Trails. At least not until the competition starts have 8 threads and software starts making the difference (for tablets)
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yes they do support out of order.

I've been waiting to see some news on Bay Trail for months! The previous Atom CPU's are nothing to judge Bay Trail by now that Intel has really put some focus into these things.

Also, I don't think you'll be seeing HT on the quad core Bay Trails. At least not until the competition starts have 8 threads and software starts making the difference (for tablets)

Agreed. It seems to me that Hyperthreading would add more heat for not much performance. Whereas they could make the clock higher, as they did and get more performance on applications.
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Well, since I like to stir the pot.
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The chip was tested in CineBench R11.5 which is a common benchmark tool to evaluate CPU performance.
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Common maybe but useless none the less. Ok Alatar, go ahead and make the cinema4d remark here. But like I said before do you see that statement made? Never do.
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Agreed. It seems to me that Hyperthreading would add more heat for not much performance. Whereas they could make the clock higher, as they did and get more performance on applications.

Only <5% (on CPU die + chipset support), the performance on lower ipc cores isn't worth it and the OS' they are targeting don't natively support hyperthreading.
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Well, since I like to stir the pot.
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Common maybe but useless none the less. Ok Alatar, go ahead and make the cinema4d remark here. But like I said before do you see that statement made? Never do.

LOL.
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Well, since I like to stir the pot.
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Common maybe but useless none the less. Ok Alatar, go ahead and make the cinema4d remark here. But like I said before do you see that statement made? Never do.

I agree it shouldn't be a common benchmark since it's results are only directly applicable to a very small subset of computer users (People using Cinema4D), but that doesn't make it completely useless. Of course nobody working in Cinema4D would consider using either a Z3770 or an A4-5000 any AMD cpu. Like it or not, most programs are optimized towards Intel cpu's and AMD cpu's may never see their full potential used. So in that regard CineBench does accurately reflect the real world.
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What about the GPU, though?

I would also like to see a more extensive testing, not just Cinebench.
   
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Which extension did Bay Trail and Jaguar use? I can't find which extensions Bay Trail uses but I see Jaguar has AVX but as FX chips are forced to run SSE and Intel runs AVX in Cinebench it's the most useless way of comparing Intel and AMD CPU's but don't let that stop the Intel parade.
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I agree it shouldn't be a common benchmark since it's results are only directly applicable to a very small subset of computer users (People using Cinema4D), but that doesn't make it completely useless. Of course nobody working in Cinema4D would consider using either a Z3770 or an A4-5000 any AMD cpu. Like it or not, most programs are optimized towards Intel cpu's and AMD cpu's may never see their full potential used. So in that regard CineBench does accurately reflect the real world.

No it doesn't. Cinebench is specifically designed to gimp AMD's CPU's results and make Intel look better. That's not optimisation, that's cheating and if software was released that intentionally was caught to be reducing scores of Intel over AMD these very same forums would be flooded with tears about how terrible AMD are but as we are mindlessly supposed to follow Intel it's fine.
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7.5w 1.47 pts on cinebench. WOW!

Well actually there is nothing impressive here, Atom Z3770 as a whole SoC or chip CPU + GPU + Other has 7.5W TDP.

These Atom processor has a such TDP, because it uses much weaker GPU compared to Quad Core Kabini APU A4-5000/1.5ghz CPU/15W TDP or Quad Core Tablet Temash APU A6-1450/1ghz CPU/8W TDP.

Intel Baytrail Series or "New Atom" uses Ivy Bridge Graphics, AMD Kabini/Temash APU is the first AMD APU that uses AMD GCN graphics. Precisely all AMD Kabini/Temash models use 128 AMD GCN Cores.

Finally we should mention that Intel has the advantage in the manufacturing process, Baytrail Atom is 22nm SoC and Jaguar Kabini/Temash APU is 28nm SoC. wink.gif
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No it doesn't. Cinebench is specifically designed to gimp AMD's CPU's results and make Intel look better. That's not optimisation, that's cheating and if software was released that intentionally was caught to be reducing scores of Intel over AMD these very same forums would be flooded with tears about how terrible AMD are but as we are mindlessly supposed to follow Intel it's fine.

The only fair way to test two cpu's would be to use open source applications, compile optimized versions, and then test. But since only a very small minority of PC users are running Linux workstations/servers, those results wouldn't be very applicable to real world performance. Of course most compilers will favor Intel, it's the de-facto standard. Most developers aren't going to spend time tweaking performance for CPU hardware, they rely on the compilers to make those choices for them. Is it FAIR, no.

Certain PC games are clearly optimized towards AMD or Nvidia hardware. If that game is used in a review, does that make it's results invalid? I'd say No, because if I own the hardware it's not optimized for- I still want to know how it's going to perform.

Obviously CPU's shouldnt be compared based on any single benchmark but that doesn't make any single benchmark useless.
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The only fair way to test two cpu's would be to use open source applications, compile optimized versions, and then test. But since only a very small minority of PC users are running Linux workstations/servers, those results wouldn't be very applicable to real world performance. Of course most compilers will favor Intel, it's the de-facto standard. Most developers aren't going to spend time tweaking performance for CPU hardware, they rely on the compilers to make those choices for them. Is it FAIR, no.

Certain PC games are clearly optimized towards AMD or Nvidia hardware. If that game is used in a review, does that make it's results invalid? I'd say No, because if I own the hardware it's not optimized for- I still want to know how it's going to perform.

Obviously CPU's shouldnt be compared based on any single benchmark but that doesn't make any single benchmark useless.
I agree about the performance in particular software. The issue is that I never see cinema4d mentioned or the result differences explained as the use of inefficient instruction sets. It is usually brought up as proof as to inherent performance at the hardware level, although we know that it is due to the software coded for particular CPU designation.
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