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Samsung was profitable is unrelated. Their profitability can be explained by smart investments, timing, economies of scale, and good management.


You do realize your links do NOT prove that is collusion.

It is an agreement among firms or individuals to divide a market, set prices, limit production or limit opportunities.
Can you PROVE there was an explicit communication to collude among the companies? No.
Can you PROVE there was an explicit agreement? No.

Cartels usually occur in an oligopolistic industry, where the number of sellers is small (usually because barriers to entry, most notably startup costs, are high) and the products being traded are usually homogeneous.
Being in an oligopolistic industry is NOT proof of collusion.

can you prove there wasn't any explicit communication between them?

Being an oligopoly does not absolve them of collusion.

and none of your arguments can prove collusion didn't take place, unless you were in the boardroom at any manufacturer.

that's why its all conjecture.

BUT i do have one real point

they did it before, nothing saying they won't do it again.
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can you prove there wasn't any explicit communication between them?

Being an oligopoly does not absolve them of collusion.

and none of your arguments can prove collusion didn't take place, unless you were in the boardroom at any manufacturer.

that's why its all conjecture.

BUT i do have one real point

they did it before, nothing saying they won't do it again.

Innocent until proven guilty, or guilty until proven innocent? Apparently you believe in the latter. Remember that the next time you are in some kind of legal dispute.
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Innocent until proven guilty, or guilty until proven innocent? Apparently you believe in the latter. Remember that the next time you are in some kind of legal dispute.

if i had prior charges relating to something new i was charged with you'd have to look at it that way.
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if i had prior charges relating to something new i was charged with you'd have to look at it that way.

If I were a judge in the court room, sure. But I'm not, and I'm betting neither are you. Neither of us would make that decision, therefore, innocent until proven guilty stands. If they go to court, and it's proven, then so be it, but until then, people are just throwing accusations IMHO.
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can you prove there wasn't any explicit communication between them?

Being an oligopoly does not absolve them of collusion.

and none of your arguments can prove collusion didn't take place, unless you were in the boardroom at any manufacturer.

that's why its all conjecture.

BUT i do have one real point

they did it before, nothing saying they won't do it again.

Burden of proof falls on accussor. I do not have to prove anything since I am not claiming they are breaking the law.

"Being an oligopoly does not absolve them of collusion"
.... of course not, but conversely.... "Being an oligopoly does not prove collusion."

Your argument is that it does exist... but you have zero proof.

What you are a doing is equivalent to going up to someone in a hoodie walking out of a store and saying they "STOP! YOU STOLE SOMETHING!" without proof. That's not how law works.

Your "real point" is again moot. If they got caught and served their punishment, then that is it (for the most part). Part of the punishment may be monitoring. However, once the punishment is completed, one can accuse them again without evidence. If a murder serves 10 years in prison, can you put the same person in prison if someone happens to be killed in the same neighborhood? No, not without evidence.

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if i had prior charges relating to something new i was charged with you'd have to look at it that way.
...that's not proof though. That is just prior history to be considered but not enough to charge anyone.
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Burden of proof falls on accussor. I do not have to prove anything since I am not claiming they are breaking the law.

"Being an oligopoly does not absolve them of collusion"
.... of course not, but conversely.... "Being an oligopoly does not prove collusion."

Your argument is that it does exist... but you have zero proof.

What you are a doing is equivalent to going up to someone in a hoodie walking out of a store and saying they "STOP! YOU STOLE SOMETHING!" without proof. That's not how law works.

Your "real point" is again moot. If they got caught and served their punishment, then that is it (for the most part). Part of the punishment may be monitoring. However, once the punishment is completed, one can accuse them again without evidence. If a murder serves 10 years in prison, can you put the same person in prison if someone happens to be killed in the same neighborhood? No, not without evidence.
...that's not proof though. That is just prior history to be considered but not enough to charge anyone.

you guys are both right yessir.gif


i personally, am looking forward to paying top dollar for memory again...cheap ddr3 is a thing of the past.

i think we could all learn a lesson here

don't question anything at all, except everything at face value.

im glad you guys taught me that, and for that i thank you.
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you guys are both right yessir.gif


i personally, am looking forward to paying top dollar for memory again...cheap ddr3 is a thing of the past.

i think we could all learn a lesson here

don't question anything at all, except everything at face value.

im glad you guys taught me that, and for that i thank you.

Well DDR3 is going to be phased out.... manufacturers have been gearing towards DDR4. As Intel delays DDR4 controllers though.... I would except DDR3 prices to raise as the companies have already reduced manufacturing lines.

Besides, the DRAM companies are switching their lines to focus on ECC RAM and mobile LP RAM as well.

There's nothing with questioning.... but accusation without evidence is another thing.
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you guys are both right yessir.gif


i personally, am looking forward to paying top dollar for memory again...cheap ddr3 is a thing of the past.

i think we could all learn a lesson here

don't question anything at all, except everything at face value.

im glad you guys taught me that, and for that i thank you.

Questions and assumptions are far from the same. You and others didn't question, you assumed that DRAM makers were simply working together illegally without proof. If you don't understand that difference, then this conversation is pointless.
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