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I decided to go for 4770K instead 3930K, just one thing prevent me from buying it, and it is the pathetic thermal past on the IHS instead of the so proof fluxless soldering. I fear it may degraded fast for the high temps natural on 4770K, resulting in even more heat lower Overclock ability and forcing me to set clocks back to stock to not put risk of frying the chip.

Would not this bring all the current 4770K on to shorter lifespan? I won't dellid never, i rather sell it than mess with it inside. So i want to be sure if this Thermal past issue is a real problem or i don't need to care about it.

Cooling will be a simple Corsair H100i not pushing the chip further than the chip want to. Not goin to use custom cooling, neither L2N, Nitrogen, Hydrogen, Cryptonit or anything else smile.gif
Edited by Sujeto 1 - 9/5/13 at 4:35pm
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I decided to go for 4770K instead 3930K, just one thing prevent me from buying it, and it is the pathetic thermal past on the IHS instead of the so proof fluxless soldering. I fear it may degraded fast for the high temps natural on 4770K, resulting in even more heat lower Overclock ability and even frying the chip as a Coronel sanders chicken. Would not this bring all the current 4770K on to shorter lifespan? I won't dellid never, i rather sell it than mess with it inside. So i want to be sure if this Thermal past issue is a real problem or i don't need to care about it.

Cooling will be a simple Corsair H100i not pushing the chip further than the chip want to. Not goin to use custom cooling, neither L2N, Nitrogen, Hydrogen, Cryptonit or anything else smile.gif

Well, i don't know what you mean by degrading but overclock it right and enabled c-states and i idle below 20'c with an H100.
That's also, i have a rather poor batch with high voltages also.
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Well, i don't know what you mean by degrading but overclock it right and enabled c-states and i idle below 20'c with an H100.
That's also, i have a rather poor batch with high voltages also.

Well i mean the thermal compound and the adhesive start to get bad worn decayed, leaving a micro gap between chip and IHS, increasing temps. Short lifespan.

I read in a post here in forum, a guy saying thermal past tend to dissapear as time passes.
Edited by Sujeto 1 - 9/5/13 at 4:39pm
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Well i mean the thermal compound and the adhesive start to get bad, leaving a micro gaps between chip and IHS, increasing temps. Short lifespan.

Well friend from ASUS in Taiwan said there's actually no problem with the compound Intel use, it's not the best but it's not bad either.
The issue is the gap left by their manufacturing processes, the black glue in the edges that's why removing it when people delid allows it to come closer to the IHS and reducing temperatures.

I personally didn't delid i don't feel there's a reason to yet.
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Well friend from ASUS in Taiwan said there's actually no problem with the compound Intel use, it's not the best but it's not bad either.
The issue is the gap left by their manufacturing processes, the black glue in the edges that's why removing it when people delid allows it to come closer to the IHS and reducing temperatures.

I personally didn't delid i don't feel there's a reason to yet.
exactly, so that black glue in edge as time passes, tend to "unglue" and pass from be Black to White, plus the thermal compund tend to get worn and useless. That's what i read. I mean, this is ok if it suddenly happen 6 years from now, but not cool if it happen at 1 year of use and progressive.
Edited by Sujeto 1 - 9/5/13 at 4:44pm
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Anyone please?
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The Silence.... make me think i didnt formulate the question good enough.stun.gif
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no one really knows yet, its only been out what a year and a half?

i didn't delid mine and its at 4.5 ghz it runs cool enough for me...ymmv.
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Well... about what to choose, I don't even know how to answer that question for myself.

I have a 3570k and have delidded it. It was pretty scary and I'm still somewhat worried it will eventually crack. There were two reports of people with cracked 4770k after about a month. There were never reports like that for 3570k/3770k, but you never know...

After delidding, the temperatures are looking pretty great for my chip. The air cooler I have seems to be able to keep it cool even for 1.4v, which already looks pretty dangerous to me. I'm basically not limited by temperatures anymore. In a way, that's actually depressing. It could have been like that from the start if Intel would have used solder instead of paste. There would have been no need for me to worry about delidding.

Now about the 3930k, 4930k and 4820k... those look pretty interesting to me. If I would want to have an i7 instead of i5, I'd be pretty tempted to at least look at the 4820k instead of 4770k. It might not have the same performance per core, but if you don't delid, it will probably beat the newer CPU because of temperatures. There's no need to worry and be scared about delidding. The price is pretty similar. It's mostly the X79 board being more expensive than Z87, it seems.

I really don't know what I would do if I had to buy something new. I'd probably rather have 4820k+X79 than 4770k+Z87. I don't need 4930k personally. tongue.gif

I would definitely wait for 4820k and 4930k to get into the shops. I wouldn't buy a 3930k as it wants more voltage and power.
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Yes deepor, that's pissing me off, i don't understand why they should cap the ability of it's own creation putting such of thermal compound, i rather prefer they increase the price as much as they want instead of forcing me to mess with the chip delidding, 4770K is not a bad chip just like 2600K was, but this thing about IHS really prevent me from buy. X79 board at the market are quite old already, lack of new stuffs like Z87 and not too many options to choose from contrary to the wide field of options from the current Z87.
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