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Originally Posted by 47 Knucklehead View Post

I'm torn on this. On the one hand, I'm all for a company doing what they want on their network, on the other, I think if they do, then they should lose ALL state and federal protections that they enjoy.

My problem with this is that in a lot of places there are 1 or 2 options for connections available, at most. IF I could vote with my wallet and choose whoever gave me the best price, this would be capitalism at work.

This is just another way for companies like Comcast to screw you. If you watch movies on their pay per view, no extra charge. If you choose Netflix, then they want to charge you extra for that movie, so eventually you will stop using Netflix.
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Well, this doesn't really work either, because the power ISPs have in many areas. Much of the US only has 1 ISP available in its area. For example, if Cox decided to do this, I'd have no choice, because no other ISPs are available to me.

You're looking at it from your end. If Verizon somehow scoots on this, there will be untold repercussions as far as who is willing to work with them. Maybe consumers are in the grip of monopoly, but businesses aren't.

Then again, if they pull it off, I bet every other major ISP follows suit in a matter of days...
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post #33 of 88
Like prices aren't high enough for their tiered plans. I can foresee a "Steam Tax" on the leading digital game download platform, that will wake up a few people. Then of course your Hulu, netflix, Youtube "taxes" as well...
post #34 of 88
Every major ISP = scum of the earth. Is anyone really surprised? It's cute to see the FCC shaking their fist like they're going to do something while the other hand is probably behind their back getting slipped a little lobbying $ from you-know-who.
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Well....here's my 2 cents.
I support the idea of net neutrality as it (supposedly) benefits the "little guys."

HOWEVER...

If companies that hog a lot of the bandwidth, like google and netflix, don't pay for their use of the ISP's networks....guess who will? WE WILL.

Netflix becomes more popular, the ISP's suffer, people demand better performance, ISP's need to upgrade their infrastructure to support streaming services, customers pay more and streaming services remain unharmed...

Sort of like being a brick and mortar store without paying your rent IMO, so instead of billing the company using the brick and mortar store, they just charge higher prices with their products frown.gif

Another example is FEDEX/UPS/USPS, the sender pays for the stamp to send the packet....
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Every major ISP = scum of the earth. Is anyone really surprised? It's cute to see the FCC shaking their fist like they're going to do something while the other hand is probably behind their back getting slipped a little lobbying $ from you-know-who.

No. The FCC is an enforcement agency. They make money by fining companies left right and center for any and all violations.

That is why Verizon is trying to change this course of business because they can't currently do it without incurring fines (donations) to the FCC.
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the ISP's suffer

This is the weakness in your argument.
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Well....here's my 2 cents.
I support the idea of net neutrality as it (supposedly) benefits the "little guys."

HOWEVER...

If companies that hog a lot of the bandwidth, like google and netflix, don't pay for their use of the ISP's networks....guess who will? WE WILL.

Netflix becomes more popular, the ISP's suffer, people demand better performance, ISP's need to upgrade their infrastructure to support streaming services, customers pay more and streaming services remain unharmed...

Sort of like being a brick and mortar store without paying your rent IMO, so instead of billing the company using the brick and mortar store, they just charge higher prices with their products frown.gif

Another example is FEDEX/UPS/USPS, the sender pays for the stamp to send the packet....

The bandwidth thing is a red herring.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comcast

Look at their profits, revenue, etc.

Apple has established that absolute control over a platform is the best way to maximize profits. You can either trick people into thinking they're getting an awesome product for whatever reason, or scare them into it.

Your problem is you're assuming that bandwidth costs are expensive and it is causing financial problems for Comcast, Verizon, et al. There is no proof of this. They are basically just saying that "it's not fair" that companies like Google make more money than they do by using their pipes.

Your analogies regarding rent are also wrong. This is more in tune to a power company going after people who use electricity to make money and charging them extra because they "put excessive strain on the power grid" or some other lame excused.

Let me put this into perspective.

I can rent a VPS for $20 a month and have access to 2TB a month of transfer at a 100mbps symmetrical line. We are getting screwed and this is just a larger plan to screw us. I realize a Linode is probably tied into a backbone, but do you really think that we need to see such a huge difference in pricing?
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This is the weakness in your argument.

You get the point though. All the streaming services incur a huge hit on ISPs infrastructure.... guess who pays for those upgrades, we do.

The point though is that Netflix doesn't need to pay anything to hog 40% of some of these ISPs networks. How does this differ from me just sending out shipping packages from my local UPS and just expecting them to do it for free?

I'd rather netflix get charged a bill and have them charge everybody an extra dollar a month for theirservices rather than the ISPs taking out their infrastructure costs on the consumers for $100 a month!
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I'd like to direct people to this thread to learn about how the ISP's shaft everyone and everything that so much as touches their lines: http://www.overclock.net/t/1413928/ars-why-youtube-buffers-the-secret-deals-that-make-and-break-online-video

You can rest assured that the ISP's need no compensation whatsoever.
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