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post #1 of 8
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I will try to keep this as short as possible, basically my parents and sister might want an upgrade, I have been out of the desktop and overclocking for quite a while, so I would like opinions on best solutions on the cheap.


Probable solution 1:

Have the following:
AMD 5600 x2(am2 socket)
Foxconn 780G Matx
4x1 GB DDR2 RAm
500GB 7200rpm IDE hdd....eww
Sony DVD-RW Sata drive
(plenty of cases so whatever one I pick)

What I would need:
Cheap video card, capable of playing Guildwars 2/WoW/Diablo 3 at fairly high settings?(but not be total over kill for the cpu). The monitor is an 18in with 1024x something resolution.
Power supply that would power all of the above, on the cheap, no upgrades will happen beyond this.




Probable Solution 2:(what I really hope they do, is for my parents to give my sister their old computer and let them upgrade) So under this plan, what I have:


Current Parents system-soon to be sisters:

AMD Athlon II Rana 3.3ghz
Gigabyte GA-880GM-UD2H 880G Matx
2x2 GB DDR3 1333
750 GB Seagate 7200rpm Sata
2xDVD-RW IDE drives
Linksys 3 antenna wireless N pci adapater card
Antec Earthwatt 380W psu

So under this plan I would need a GPU and Probably? a PSU upgrade for the games listed above?


Then I would need a new build for my parents, they use it 90% for surfing the net. My stepdad plays all kinds of those supid little semi-free games that you install(last time I was over at their house I bet he had 35-40 installed and its moving at a pace that if my laptop worked like that I would put it down). Also they use it for picture and video(last count less than 4gb total), MS Office, Streaming Netflix, Using Remote Desktop(for my mom occasionally to remote into work), and burning DVD's occasionally.

Things that they want/need: Lots...and lots of USB ports, ideally an SSD single one would be best as they would never find a second, Cheap.


So I would really really appreciate anyone who takes the time to come up with solutions to either or both problems. Thanks.
post #2 of 8
Here's a suggestion.

get a newish video card for about 80-90 bucks, like this 7750. The Antec 380 could run it with ease.

GPU($85) - XFX FX-775A-ZNP4 Radeon HD 7750 Core Edition 1GB 128-bit GDDR5
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814150612

cheap, decent PSU

PSU($40+5 shipping) - CORSAIR Builder Series CX430
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817139026

I was going to suggest a link for cheap 9800GT but the link appears dead.

*edit* whoops looks like you also want a build suggested for you. Missed that tiny part. I'll suggest one in a bit.
Edited by Alanim - 9/10/13 at 1:27am
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post #3 of 8
I went with the AMD APU route for your parents, which, you could just use the Earthwatts PSU in because it is a decent little unit and it will be fine in an APU rig. Put the XFX PSU into your sisters rig with the 7850 and she can game those games on high settings with decent frame rates. You can take the Sony drive and put that in your parents new PC since it is SATA. I am not sure what your idea of cheap is either, but I figured for getting a GPU for a PC and nearly the entirety of another PC, around $500 seemed a sweet spot going the APU route, and also, a PC that will work for awhile for what the parents use it for. Here is my idea:

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant / Benchmarks

CPU: AMD A10-5800K 3.8GHz Quad-Core Processor ($122.50 @ Outlet PC)
Motherboard: Asus F2A55-M LE Micro ATX FM2 Motherboard ($69.98 @ Outlet PC)
Memory: Kingston Blu 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1600 Memory ($59.99 @ TigerDirect)
Storage: Sandisk Ultra Plus 64GB 2.5" Solid State Disk ($64.99 @ Microcenter)
Storage: Seagate Barracuda 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($61.98 @ Outlet PC)
Video Card: PowerColor Radeon HD 7850 2GB Video Card ($129.99 @ Newegg)
Power Supply: XFX 550W 80 PLUS Bronze Certified ATX12V / EPS12V Power Supply ($44.99 @ NCIX US)
Total: $554.42
(Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available.)
(Generated by PCPartPicker 2013-09-10 04:22 EDT-0400)

Hope this helps even if it is just food for thought to get more ideas stirring. A lot of things could be made cheaper, like switching to a dual core and less RAM. For the SSD and HDD you can just put the OS on the SSD and the files on the HDD to keep it simple.
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post #4 of 8
a apu build would be good for your budget buddy or try getting a

Phenom II X4 965/955 under 65$
Gigabyte 78LMT USB3 65$
4 GB 1600Mhz RAM 25$ ~30$
a 7750 or a 7770 under 100$
Corsair cx430 PSU 35$

that would be more then enough for any game you play at 720P

Hope that helped thumb.gif
post #5 of 8
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Basically my stepdad is unhappy with the day to day performance of his computer, which is always getting slower. He requires that everything he owns have the full capabililty, which just further slows it down. Like his wireless printer, one time(in 3 years) he had to scan something and email it.(I would have taken a picture), so he has the full every option checked HP software for it installed and firing up on startup. Let alone junkware from those games, like toolbars....yeah. Right now I would estimate with his current setup the reboot time is around 5 minutes give or take 30 seconds. I am 85% sure that his sluggish problems are due to the hdd and junkware, the HDD is a 7200 rpm 16mb cache drive. He won't give up his junkware, so I am thinking an SSD will help a lot with program load times, let alone start up. Two drives won't work, as he refuses to do anything but install on whatever drive default pops up.

Also just for note my stepdad's monitor is some no-name 22in widescreen with 1440x900 resolution. My sisters is an ancient HP Monitor 18in standard with like 1024x(something), so no need for amazing resolutions need for that gaming one.

Another side note, my parents computer was the last desktop I built....March 2011.
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Basically my stepdad is unhappy with the day to day performance of his computer, which is always getting slower. He requires that everything he owns have the full capabililty, which just further slows it down. Like his wireless printer, one time(in 3 years) he had to scan something and email it.(I would have taken a picture), so he has the full every option checked HP software for it installed and firing up on startup. Let alone junkware from those games, like toolbars....yeah. Right now I would estimate with his current setup the reboot time is around 5 minutes give or take 30 seconds. I am 85% sure that his sluggish problems are due to the hdd and junkware, the HDD is a 7200 rpm 16mb cache drive. He won't give up his junkware, so I am thinking an SSD will help a lot with program load times, let alone start up. Two drives won't work, as he refuses to do anything but install on whatever drive default pops up.

Also just for note my stepdad's monitor is some no-name 22in widescreen with 1440x900 resolution. My sisters is an ancient HP Monitor 18in standard with like 1024x(something), so no need for amazing resolutions need for that gaming one.

Another side note, my parents computer was the last desktop I built....March 2011.

I say, send him to a class where he can learn about computers; then he would know he is murdering his computer, haha. SSD's are expensive though, you could get a 250GB SSD, but that will fill up quick with all that garbage that your step dad likes to play. I suggested just an SSD for the boot drive and then you can set the 1TB Barracuda to be the main HDD that he sees when he is installing everything.

Since the monitors are pretty low resolution, for your sisters rig you could get a 7770 and it will push the games you mentioned just fine, I had a 6770 and it played Tera and SC2 on medium/high settings at 1080p with all the pretty effects turned off like AA and the like, but it still pushed 1080p. It should be good for that 18" monitor though. The only reason I posted the build with a 7850 is because they are so close in price to the 7770/90 that why not get a better GPU if it is the same price.

The XFX PSU that I posted in the suggested build is better than the CX430, which is at the bottom of the barrel of Corsair PSU's. The XFX is better for a gaming rig where the CX430 is okay for mediocre internet movie watching PC's.

Is there a budget? And are you going to build a new PC for your parents and clean the other one up for your sister?
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I agree....every time I see that stuff I want to like take his license to use a computer away. Currently he is only using 142 GB of the 750Gb drive though....its just all junkware I think that is slowing it down.

I have edited the first post, they have vetoed the new computer for them, as they picked up a new kitchen table and 70in 3D LED TV this weekend.

So I guess we will have find the perfect card to play Guidwars 2 on nearly max settings at 1024xblahblah. Also a PSU to run it. The good news is that I have no limits on size as I am going to put this in an NZXT Zero case, I intend on running 40ish cfm fans on the back. So no needs to worry about cooling, also can mount a Xigmatek 120mm 3 heatpipe old cooler I have, as well as a bolt though mount(not the stock clip). Why you ask..well because I have most of that stuff just sitting around rotting anyways. I was thinking I would give that old 5600 a light overclock to 3.1ghz or something. The ram sticks I have sitting around are all Gskill HZ's...lol.
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Only 142GB? I am surprised to be honest. Maybe a 256GB SSD would be the way to go, but it may not be worth the money if he is just going to kill it. The Samsung 840 EVO might still be on sale on NewEgg for $183 and the SanDisk SSD's are getting a lot of praise for price right now. At the same time, more RAM might help their PC over a faster storage option, because with all that junk constantly running in the background, doubling the RAM will help I think.

I still think that the 7850 is your best bet, I do not think that the CPU will cause any problems with that card. The 7850 will max out Guild Wars 2 on that low resolution, I am sure a 7770 would as well, but like I said before, they are so close in price why not go with a 2GB 7850. Also, I still say go with that XFX PSU 550W that I recommended and you will be set. The only reason I did not recommend the 450W was because the 550W was actually a bit cheaper. All in all, it is under $200 for those two parts and it will play guild wars 2 no problem. But maybe a new monitor for sister is in order as well?
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