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Realtek 889/ 898 says hi.




Google link here for you all, look at what people say about these chips.
http://bit.ly/14BpkBY

I myself have an EVGA board with the 889 chip on it, and it sounds god like.
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Here is the Creative X-Fi Surround 5.1 (USB) vs the 889.




889 supports 24-bit 192 kHz, and 110 SNR.


Edited by amd655 - 9/10/13 at 3:48am
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If you can actually read: http://www.head-fi.org/t/573961/discrete-sound-cards-is-there-really-a-difference
The chip quality is not the problem, it's how they have implemented the chip on the mobo. A good example is UCA202 DAC that costs 30$.
Design quality > Component quality, and the design varies from mobo to mobo.

And personally I see all Creative/Asus USB-soundcards to be in Xonar DG level in quality.
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If you can actually read: http://www.head-fi.org/t/573961/discrete-sound-cards-is-there-really-a-difference
The chip quality is not the problem, it's how they have implemented the chip on the mobo. A good example is UCA202 DAC that costs 30$.
Design quality > Component quality, and the design varies from mobo to mobo.

And personally I see all Creative/Asus USB-soundcards to be in Xonar DG level in quality.

I see a person who tried the 889 and dedicated soundcard, and noticed no real difference....
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Quote:
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I see a person who tried the 889 and dedicated soundcard, and noticed no real difference....
Sigh... Can you read?

It all depends on the mobo. Every mobo uses different way on how they have installed the chip on the mobo.
Some are good, some are insane, some are bad.

Grounding, EMI-shielding, the list goes on.
So it's not about which chip is used, it's all about how the mobo was designed.
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Sigh... Can you read?

It all depends on the mobo. Every mobo uses different way on how they have installed the chip on the mobo.
Some are good, some are insane, some are bad.

Grounding, EMI-shielding, the list goes on.
So it's not about which chip is used, it's all about how the mobo was designed.

Well, all reviews i have found for the 889, say the same thing about it's excellent sound quality.

And please be less rude, or i will take it further with a mod.
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Realtek software is crap. Anything more then a 2.1 setup and your gonna be missing out.
Plus you still don't have a headphone amp built in on most motherboards.
Lets not even get into the shielding and other quality components.

Sure the 889 is a nice DAC but just because you have a good chip doesn't mean everything around it is good.
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Al 889 on this Rampage3 is very transparent via optical. That's all I ask for. I have a Classé preamp do the heavy lifting.
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That THD graph you linked clearly shows the X-Fi as being superior .. and it's a 5+ year old external USB DAC design. Not just a little bit, either. The Realtek is very erratic from 2K past 10KHz, and totally falls apart over 10 KHz. The noise floor looks like it's 5-7dB higher. This is probably due to crappy support circuitry and the high frequency mess over 10 kHz from low quality audio capacitors.

Don't get me wrong, I've been a proponent for actually using MB sound chips vs. dedicated sound cards here on OCN in most cases. Chips like the Realtek ALC898 are pretty fabulous compared to what we had 5-10 years ago on a motherboard.

Greg
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Realtek software is crap. Anything more then a 2.1 setup and your gonna be missing out.
Plus you still don't have a headphone amp built in on most motherboards.
Lets not even get into the shielding and other quality components.

Sure the 889 is a nice DAC but just because you have a good chip doesn't mean everything around it is good.

It is an amazing step forward from what my old P67A-GD53 had.. which is the 895 funnily enough, it has a lower SNR, and a few other things lacking, but i think it has 2 technologies that work for it, overall, the MSI sounded WAY worse than the EVGA's 889 chip, this is not a small difference either.

I would not have made this thread if i could not hear the quality.

I have a decent HiFi hooked up directly to the motherboard, fair enough it is not AUDIOPHILE EXTREME EDITION, but come on.... if i can HEAR the difference, it shows there is a difference in quality with the DAC.


It took me by surprise, and i knew for ages that i had one of the highest end on board chips, but only looked into it today.

And i seriously do NOT need an amp, this thing can blow a hole through my damn wall...

It is the SONY GENEZI MHC-GT444, it has some really brutal power for it's size, but with some tweaking, and tuning, it sound crystal clear with some really explosive drops, and sweet high's.

Mid bass is a disapointment at first as it is too harsh, but you can control the mid bass via the HiFi, and it sounds perfect.
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CPUMotherboardGraphicsGraphics
i7 4770k Gigabyte GA-Z87X-OC Gigabyte Windforce 780Ti 3072mb Gigabyte Windforce 780Ti 3072mb 
RAMHard DriveHard DriveOptical Drive
16GB Avexir Orange 2133mhz 1TB Crucial M550 2TB Seagate Barracuda 7200 LG BDR/DVDR 
CoolingCoolingOSMonitor
OCUK Fathom with HW Labs Black Ice 240 rad Mayhem's Gigabyte Orange 8.1 64 OEM Dell U2713HM 
KeyboardPowerCaseMouse
Ducky DK-9008 Shine III MX Brown Superflower Leadex 1000w Platinum Black NZXT Switch 810 Logitech G602 
Audio
SoundBlaster Z PCI-E 
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
AMD FX 8320 Vishera ASUS M5A99X EVO R2.0 Sapphire R9 290 Tri-X 4096MB Avexir Blitz 2000mhz 8GB 
Hard DriveOptical DriveCoolingOS
1TB Hitachi Deskstar + 500GB Hitachi Deskstar 7... Samsung DVDR/CDR Noctua NH-U12P windows 7 Ultimate 64-bit 
MonitorPowerCase
AOC 22" LED 1920x1080 SuperFlower Golden Green HX 550W 80 Plus Gold Xigmatek Utguard 
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