Originally Posted by SniperTeamTango
1: Irrelevant? Last I checked intel still licenses almost all of their X64 instructions from AMD (AMD64/IA-32)
2: Not really... They're running completely unchallenged in the APU market, yet those are pretty cheap. 7970 at launch, still didn't match several other generations levels of ridiculous. 9590 = 3970x. Except intel also has a bunch of other chips at that same price point and utterly indistinguishable performance differences. At least the 9590 has 1ghz over an 8350...
3: No thats you reading things badly and twisting words to suit your argument because you know full well you cannot beat mine. Who the hell in their right mind pays double the cost for a twentieth of an improvement.
There's nothing wrong with the P/P game, especially with this economy EVERYONE is looking for a bargain, thats how the working world is right now...
A lot of the arguments around here too if people like you didnt go into AMD threads and bash on the users, and Im not talking news section either... Pot calling kettle black a lil bit there mate
Proof? A decade of working in the field is all I can offer you unfortunately. High end server market? Guess what intel really doesn't offer much their either, as the god of computing lives there, and one does not simply take down IBM for high powered computer 90% of the time.
Intel also does this annoying think called EOLing their sockets every few years, where as a G34 board from release, has a really good chance to still work with PD based opterons. One of the reasons AMD isn't selling a lot, is no need to replace things...
Oh, and lets everyone remember, AMD is still this close to intel, despite intel trying to murder them several times, breaking several laws in the process. Personally, I tend to not work with people with really shady business tactics...
Oh, and as I go to bed before I go to work tomorrow, I'm just gonna poke it in there that I'll be working on a 64 core opteron server tomorrow that was built for under 5000, lets see intel do that.
(Oh, and lets remember too, intel also likes marking stuff up because people will pay for it... so its really your fault that the stuff is expensive, not AMD's.)
1. So what? AMD licenses x86 from Intel, AMD64 wouldn't exist without x86. What does this have to do with AMD buying ATI?
Last I checked, Intel had their own x64 implementation anyway.
2. Those APU's are cheap because of their entire lineup, and quite frankly, it's not like they could charge more for them.
FX-8350 - 8 cores - $199.
6800K - $150.
Ignoring the FX line, do you think that AMD could charge $250 for the 6800K AND get it?
Could the 6800K compete directly against a 4670K? I don't think so.
3. I was replying to this:
3. You talk like AMD made it's current FX chips to be better than intels best offerings. They didn't design the 8350 to be better that a 3770k, a 6300 a 3570k, etc, so they dont price them that way. AMD isn't in the high high end market, that doesn't make them terrible, they perform amazing for the price.
This is something I've never heard before, and is certainly a new Point of View.
If you guys truly believe that AMD set out to make processors slower and cheaper.....
I never said there was anything wrong with the P/P game, it's what AMD excels at when they have inferior products.
If people like me bash on users? I, if anything, set the record straight when false information gets posted....
Look at how LordOfTots just bashed me, because he couldn't counter my points, yet I didn't reply to him.
I'm still waiting for proof that AMD dominates the server market, when the facts are that Intel has 95% of the server market. Something just doesn't add up with your claims, but you just expect us to "take your word for it".
If you're going to make claims, you should be prepared to back them up with proof, especially when they go against the facts that are known to us.
For example, you state that "AMD is still this close to Intel" at what exactly?
Market Share? Nope.
Their stock value? Nope.
Single Thread Performance? Duh.
Multi-Thread Performance? Yup with the 8350, they are close.
You should be very proud of yourself because AMD doesn't do anything shady. Do not click on the links.
Being in the IT field, surely you're aware of how AMD came to be, and how in the beginning they CLONED Intel chips. Nothing shady about that, right?
Note the “© Intel” on the processor, made by AMD.
Point is, AMD isn't squeeky clean like you would have me believe, they're not your buddy, they're after your money like any other corporation.
When the time comes when they CAN charge you more for their products, they will. Remember the FX-57
Or how about these guys?
Notice, when AMD held the performance crown, their pricing reflected it, even on non-FX chips. I brought up the FX-9590 to remind you of the fact that AMD does AND will charge more for products, if / when they can.
See, when I make a statement, I back it up with proof. Edited by 2010rig - 9/12/13 at 11:04pm