Originally Posted by CM MR HAF
I actually have the RC-110-KKN2 here Elite 110. While it is a little wider than Elite 120/130 it makes up for it being much less depth. Any suggestions? Please take a look at this infographic.
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I also have a handful imported in if anyone wants to try them.
Actually, the case design has a lot to be desired. Not because its a 15L design... but because such size gives nothing useful to the user. What am I talking about? The compromises you have to make.
a) No decent cooling support. Sure, pictures show a CLC solution on the front... which is like the ONLY option you have. Air cooling is out of the question unless you go to some very specific solutions.
b) No decent gpu support. There is not enough space for 99.9% options on the market. The max you can put in there are actually those "mini" versions of the GTX760 or GTX670. Nothing else will fit above that, regarding power.
c) Not a lot of space for drives.
All in all, you have to make far too many compromises regarding the case, and none of them are translated into a space saving solution. Those compromises in a 10L case would be another subject... but we are talking 15L here (unless my math is wrong, that is... and that probably doesn't take into account the psu sticking out of the case). In my opinion, you should take a step back, and look at what is needed and what isn't, and to find some means to make it work.
At this very moment the reference in space efficiency is the NCASE M1. Why?
a) It gives you more flexibility regarding cpu cooling. You can put 120 or 240mm radiator, along some decent air cooling solutions. Most of the non-tower heatsink solutions will work, although you need to plan ahead and choose the right board.
b) It gives you more flexibility regarding gpu support. You can put long graphics card in there (so long as they aren't taller than spec, regarding the PCB of the card, or power cables won't fit), up to 3 slots in width.
c) It gives you better HDD support, since you can mount 3 x 3.5" HDD and some extra SSD's withouth too much hassle.
d) Together, it does all of that at 12.6L.
So, not only you can put more stuff and higher-end gear on the M1... its ACTUALLY SMALLER (and prettier) !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I know for sure that the NCASE M1 is a different thing than your little cases... but only because you want them to be. The features that make the M1 interesting aren't the aluminum and high-quality construction finish (that is a bonus, and Cooler Master has showed that they can release high quality cases if they want to), but the fact that you can squeeze almost a normal computer in them without having like a huge headache over what fits and what doesn't. Its like the perfect balance between size and capabilities, optimization at its finest, something that was forgotten many, many years ago.
What you should do, IMO, is try to look into the thousands of ideas that are being thought and discussed into many forums, and try to make that work into your advantatge. Smaller doesn't have to be "less" in any meaningful way and, when it is, you should simply scrap everything and start over. No, small is about thinking out of the box, and about trying to play with different components and how you can put them around in a boxy-shape, and decide what features the case MUST have, and what features the case doesn't need.
For instance, a case that can only support a 208mm card puts such a huge constraint on the whole system I'd never EVER buy. The reasons are as logic as it gets: when you require small designs you are in the hand of different vendors. So, if in some time they decide small cards aren't worth it... you are stuck with a computer you can't upgrade because the case is putting a restrain you can't solve no matter what. Now, if you don't want to put a powerful gpu card in there... why bother with a 15L case in the first place? The case is simply a no-no, it has no reason to exist because it doesn't properly fit anywhere. Its not useful as an HTPC case because its very very big, nor it is in any case a desktop replacement because you can't make a power-house.
Another of the things I don't understand is the PSU compatibility thing. In this case anything over 400W is simply overkill, because there is absolutely no chance you can use that much power in the first place (systems with a GTX670 and 1150 cpu, both overclocked, don't even get to 400W when fully loading the system for testing purposes). So, why bother with an ATX form factor? Yes, it has synergies with your company since you sell psus... but you are ruining the usability of the product but doing so. Small computers require small psus and short cables... and you are using none in this case. Why not release a SFX psu? Silverstone are the only vendor who does SFX products (since their ST45SF-G is like the ONLY option you have if you want a powerful mITX small system) that are worthwhile, I'm sure there is some market share to gain. Also, in small cases using full ATX psus is a waste, since the smallest ATX psu has a volume of around 1.8L, vs 0.6L of the SFX equivalent. A 1.2L difference is like a 9% of the volume of the case. A lot of smalls make a big one. But you don't have to use SFX, you can use TFX or Flex ATX. You are big enough to do something different, of quality, and you have done it before. You just need to look at the market, and try to go bigger. Why do you think some of us paid $245 for a case? Not because its limited... we paid that much simply because it was the ONLY option regarding mITX and not a heck of a lot of compromises. If some random users on a forum did it, what is stopping you?
PS: at this very moment there is NOTHING in the market with a steambox-esque design, except from some vendors you can't buy (because they are part of a system). IMO, once such designs hit the market from the hand of known vendors they will be successful. I'm talking about a distribution like this:
That design, for instance, has a TON of compromises, and its true its very specific. But you could make it just a bit taller and you would have much better functionality, together with a very small system. Like I said you can't buy such systems at the moment (except if you want to get an alienware or Tiki system, which aren't cheap. So, no case alone). Being a first would atract some attention.
PSS: and bring back the ATCS 840. The case was lovely. Massive, but aesthetically lovelly.
Originally Posted by psyclum
the pic's are abit small to give a good critique. however a few less then optimal design choices i can see are:
1. why 120mm fan? the pic clearly show enough room for a 140mm fan.
2. PSU placement. space directly above CPU is prime real estate. putting HDD brackets above the PSU cuts into that real estate. IMO, the PSU should go up to the roof. HDD is often sacrificed for SFF builds anyway. it's not uncommon to see a SFF build with only 2.5 inch drives for both mechanical and SSD. with 2TB 2.5 inch mechanical drives, it's an "acceptable" solution for SFF build.
3. this is more of a personal thing, but there should be provision for external radiator mount for the likes of H80 or H100. not everyone would agree, but some will find it a superior solution for their build.I feel CM is coming along very well in terms of becoming a premium equipment supplier
. i've never really cared for CM in the past, but i'm keeping my eyes much closer to any news regarding CM these days
I don't agree. Premium?