Originally Posted by Zap
At first I thought this was the CorsairGeorge thread.
The list sounds like a case that is "ITX" in name only, by supporting an ITX motherboard and nothing larger. This does appeal to those who otherwise would never go smaller.
Speaking for myself, however, ITX is a chance to really go small. 2.5" HDDs have reached 2TB and 3.5" HDDs will hit 5TB next year. 2.5" SSDs are available at 1TB. A single GPU system can run on a decent 450W PSU. Sounds like an SG05 will fit all this. For those not needing a discrete GPU or mass storage, an ISK 110 can work.
Not entirely true. Yes, 2.5" HDD are 2TB. But only one model that I can find exists: a WD Green for $180 and they're 15mm. However, the HGST 5K1500 is relatively new, $140ish, and has three 500GB platters in a standard laptop-compatible 9.5mm form-factor. Typically three-platter mobile drives need to be designed with shock in mind (and this is, of course), but you won't need to worry about that in a desktop. Considering the limitations of 2.5" drives capacity wise, I'd think at least on 3.5" bay is necessary.
Originally Posted by CM MR HAF
Following up with my own questions:
- How would you educate a person to embrace the limitations below, rather than fear the lack of expandability, proprietary nature?
- Would you sacrifice your 5.25" ODD?
- Would you accept 2 x 3.5" HDD/4 x SSD max?
- Since WC compatibility defines the outer dimensions, whats the largest fan/radiator? 240mm/200mm or 360mm/280mm
- Would you sacrifice ATX PSU 180mm support entirely (go with dc-dc board, AFX, or TFX)?
- Can you buy slim ODD and small PSU in your market locally?
1) It's mITX. The smaller form-factor is part of the fun and challenge. The lack of expandability seems irritating, but you can still have a high-end Intel CPU, decent-to-good motherboard, and a 7990 or 690 for hard core graphics action. On board audio has gotten good, and ethernet to wireless adapters are available, so the common uses for PCI slots are mostly taken care of.
2) Sure, why not? I can see external bays being used often for HTPCs pretty much exclusively. Steam, Origin, etc. and digital downloads have limited the need for ODDs, but I'd like an external 3.5" bay so I can rock it old school with a floppy drive, hot-swap bay, or omni-card reader if necessary. Not essential, but nice to have.
3) How about only two each internal 3.5" bays and 2.5" bays? My 912 included a 3.5" to 2x 2.5" tray, and something included in this would allow builders to have 4x plus 1x or 2x plus 2x 2.5" and 3.5" drives, respectively, out of the box. Maybe a third 2.5" bay, but make the drive cages removable. Actually, make the screw holes line up so it can fit, let's say, a pair of 15mm drives, four 7mm HDDs or SSDs, or three 9.5mm HDDs. It's compact and still accommodates a lot of data storage.
4) I don't watercool; ask someone else.
5) Depends, since I'm not familiar with this territory. Are the smaller PSUs still reliable like the well-made ATX ones are?
6) No idea, but Newegg/Amazon/ebay... Plus you can harvest a slim ODD from a broken laptop or laptop with a dual-drive upgrade. But small-scale PSUs seem to be uncommon, to say the least. Would mounting a normal ATX PSU on its side in any orientation help with space? I'd think including an L-shaped cable with the case and mounting the PSU so the switch and whatnot runs out the bottom would be efficient.
Originally Posted by adjas
If you make an itx case with cable routing (managment) behind the motherboard (similar to the SG09/SG10) you'd be unique and the only ones doing it. (that I can think of)
Yes please. I'll take a wider case if it means better cable routing any day.Edited by CynicalUnicorn - 9/11/13 at 5:35pm