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post #11 of 14
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Victory and Defeat. Got the CPU to fire up first try in the Asus P8P67 WS REV board. All I did was the same thing I did in the H61DE/S3, which was assemble it with the stock heatsink. So now I am confused as s*** trying to figure out how the heatsink could cause a memory (RAM) issue. I already thought about overtightening, but the reassemblies were done both with a screwdriver and only hand tight (through the various assemblies and disassembles). Could be an issue with the backplate, but I doubt it.

I am going to run it pretty hard (@ stock RAM and CPU and GPU) for a while and determine the stability of it. Then on payday I may go out and get another heatsink and test if it will solve the issue (which from the findings I have made, it should).
 
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I have seen where if a heatsink is tightened incorrectly it can put too much pressure on one side of the cpu and cause it to have issues with the memory controller. I was on the asus site one time and read where a guys system only showed half his ram, the asus tech told him to re-seat his heatsink correctly and after that all his ram was showing.
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post #13 of 14
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If you are referring to the 4GB issue on the H61, that is not a processor problem. It is a limitation of the board (and I would have known that before I tried if I had bothered to rtfm.

As for tightened incorrectly. How is it supposed to be tightened? I assume CM got it right in the manual in which case they say mount the backplate and ancor points (the bolts that the x plate screws into) first. Then you apply thermal paste. Next you put the heatsink on the processor, centered with it facing the rear for Intel or facing the top with AMD. Next is the x plate and it bolts down using equal pressure (as in not tightening only one corner. It tightens like a gasket, each bolt does one turn in X pattern until it is tight). And you should stop tightening it as soon as it reaches the bottom (ie, more resistance. It should not be torqued at all).
Short of taking a torque wrench to it, I don't know how else to assemble it.

THe simple test that I just thought of failed too. That was placing the celeron in the ASrock Extreme 4 (known good) using the correct amount of thermal paste (AS5) and placing the cooler on top, but without the x plate. Being that the board is level, it should have equal pressure across the surface that way (as gravity is constant, as long as the altitude is the same, and seeing as the floor is level, and the desk is setting on the floor, and is level itself, then there should be no more than a few millimeters difference in altitude across the entire desk.). It still throws a code 55 (memory not installed. Old on and I will try it in the h61 the same way. be back in a second with that edit).

Edit:
Using the above method (not using the X bracket), the H61 boots up fine. So it may be an issue with the board (the E4 that is). But again, hold up and I will fully assemble it (the heatsink) and test teh H61 again and see what happens.

Edit 2:
Fully assembled in the H61 board, the Celeron POSTs and boots ubuntu fine. I am willing to bet that the issue with the Asus board was a RAM setting issue, but that leads to the question of what happened to the ASrock board. ... We will see. I'm going to put the 212 EVO on the asus board and see what happens with known bootable settings on the RAM.

Edit 3:
frown.gif Declining memory. The 212 EVO on the Asus board, and the Samsung memory, it boots fine @ 1066, 1333 and 1600, but the old stable settings for 1866 and 2133 are throwing the MEM OK! light. So I think the issue is down to the E4 board having an issue, and the Samsung RAM being either declining or maybe the IMC needs a bump up. Not too concerned with it, as 1600MHz is fast enough. Its only a few points a hour, and maybe 2FPS is that in games.

Actually, going to try the E4 with the Celeron and the stock heatsink and see what it does. Will be back in a bit.

Edit 4:
The E4 is still throwing the 55 error (no memory installed) with the celeron, a single DIMM of Patriot G2 and the stock intel heatsink. So there is definitely an issue with that board.
Seems the asus board is fine other than the memory OC settings being nonexistant right now (will investigate farther later, as I really hate the BIOS on this board (the P8P67).


I guess at this point, I will do one of two things.
A: Install windows 7 and the creative drivers on my Acer 5552 and run with that for the moment, and try to get a better cooler and run with an OC on the Acer board, also needing some better RAM, but that is a matter for a different time, as at least the RAM is working for now (will memtest it later)

B: Get either another 480+a DVI-HDMI cord and SLI (Would not be worth it for me at the moment, except for BONIC+Folding, as gaming would not get a big enough boost to make it worth while seeing as I can max all my games at exceptable frames). OPtion B2 is get something like a GT520/GT540 or HD5450->5670 (something with HDMI/DVI that will just run in the background, but they could be used for BONIC apps or folding, or both, or maybe mining too. A 6970 is about the same price as a 480).
Edited by wolfeking - 9/15/13 at 10:07am
 
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post #14 of 14
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Okay , so been doing some work and have narrowed it down to that it is definitely the hyper 212 causing the issue. How I figured that is detailed below, as well as how I am going to fix this issue.

1. Started with the memory issue detailed above. Fixed with the intel cooler as detailed above as well. Started with bumping RAM speed and testing with Memtest (3 loops) as I went. ON the Asus board it (samsung RAM) will do 2400 @ 1.7V stable with stock timings (I think it is 11-11-11-31) with no changes to the CPU. Knowing this I am going to rule that the memory controller is fine, as is the CPU.

2. Undervolted the CPU to 1.1V on stock settings. At 100% load it is running upper 60s and lower 70s (which is not good enough for me). This is running the intel cooler.

3. Applied the 212EVO to the asus board, and it worked for a bit (a few days) and ran at 4.6GHz @ +0.025V with load temps in the mid 60s. This was fine for a bit (maybe 4 days or so) and then yesterday it started throwing the memok! light again. Note that this happened with no changes to settings or the cooler at all. Remounted it and no change. Also cleaned the socket with a air gun (on the main air tank, with dehumidifier on it) which did not help at all.

4. Reapplied the Intel cooler and defaulted the Overclock and it booted fine and has stress tested fine for today (about 4 hours).

Okay, so now I have gave up. My cooler is not helping, and I bought a new one, a Phanteks PH-TC14PE_BK and some more AS5 (I know there is better out there for less money, but I happen to like the AS5 and I have gotten used to how it spreads and its thermal properties) and will apply those for testing when they get here and report back. If they do not solve the issue, then I will get a 3770k and test that before defaulting to shipping it back to Intel at my cost and hoping that they will find the issue and correct it (not to mention that Intel wants me to send it via DHL/Fedex/UPS instead of USPS, which means I will have to drive to greensboro/Winston to ship it off and be without a CPU until they replace/fix it.)


Edit:
This is not working. Going to undervolt some more, as at UEFI defaults (except for SATA mode and disabling SMART status reporting (as my Linux HDD throws errors with that) at 100% load I am getting temps of 85* +/- 2* as seen through
Code:
watch -n 1 -d sensors
. Vcore reported as 1.20V using the same watch method. Would love to find a way to jack up the RPM on the intel fan (3 days till the replacement heatsink gets here) as I am pretty sure that 2050RPM is not the max, but that is not really going to help much.


Edit 2:
Okay, current running status is confirmed. Running 2.8GHz (28x100) @ 1.05V for load temps of about 65*C. GPU is running stock and RAM is at 2133MHz with 11-11-11-28 1T @ 1,7V. Going to leave this setup alone until I get the phanteks cooler, which should be monday and then pump it up to 4.8 to 5GHz and let it stick for awhile there.
Edited by wolfeking - 9/25/13 at 12:34pm
 
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