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Now obviously with my disability stuff which is provoked by too high noise, a PC 20 cm away from my ear should be rather silent. Obviously a water pump can be relatively noisy. In addition I have bottom PSU which is inverted. An accidental water leak could be quite costly. In addition, air cooler is completely maintenance and wear free, I can place it into new build without problems, and would work well with my cocoa resilient case. (This means I can place cocoa and other stuff like books on top of case and there is complete zero chance it would spill into the case, because there are no holes for ventilation on top of the case.) Air cooling is maintenance free, is completely fine even with 6-core Ivy-E, and can be used for a next build. My heart of cheapskate is warming up. It's not like I didn't went for quad channel to place relatively low end RAM into it and still have awesome bandwidth.

Aircooling IS maintenance-free. It's also noisy and space-consuming.

People complain about pump noise in threads because they watercool so they can have a quiet rig. Any Laing pump running full blast is gonna make noise, but not as much as a case full of fans running full blast. There's endless ways to setup a custom loop, and if you wanted it absolutely silent, you could most definitely arrange it that way. Alot of people that want a quiet loop will add a 2nd pump, this is not only a safeguard in case one fails, but also allows you to run both pumps at a lower speed so you won't hear any noise. Also keep in mind, even with 1 pump, you're not gonna be running it at full speed on a regular basis, if at all.

Closed loop coolers are a great cooling option, but i personally don't consider them any type of step towards a custom loop. CLC's are set it and forget it, and don't teach you anything about watercooling. I have nothing against CLC's, they do their job well and are a nice step above air coolers, it's just not really the same category as a custom loop.

As far as the danger people worry about with leaks and whatnot, there's precautions that every1 takes when they set up a custom loop. And as long as you run through the safety measures you're not gonna damage your system. It's very easy (and pretty standard) to do a leaktest without putting any of your expensive components at risk. If you wanted to use a CLC type of setup to get your toes wet (pun intended =P), the Swiftech H220 or any type of expandable kit is your best choice. That way you can have the set it and forget it and still have the option to expand and learn how to setup a real loop.

But, if you're gonna spend the kind of money on a rig to get IB-E + RIVE BE, it's worth it to at least do a little research into watercooling so you can get the most out of what you're paying for. When people just see bits and pieces of conversations about watercooling, it sounds like you need a Bachelor's Degree in Watercooling just to setup a loop. But once you do a tiny bit of research and just understand the basics of a simple loop, reservoir -> pump -> block -> radiator, it's seriously not complicated. It's just figuring out how much cooling you can fit, and how quiet you wanna run it.

I agree with Arm3nian. A Closed Loop will work (better than an air cooler)
But with the enthusiast level hardware you're buying, it's absolutely worth it to learn how to setup a custom loop. It's like will a 720p monitor work on your GTX 780? Sure, but it would be worth it to get a top-of-the-line monitor to go with your top-of-the-line graphics card
    
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post #422 of 3689
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H100/H100i/H110 is not a joke to me, air is. The closed loop corsair coolers are quite decent, and offer good cooling for the cost. Most people in the delid club run high overclocks (5ghz+) with h100's. Some also run sandy-e with closed loops. You must also consider the fact that the hexacores output more heat than ivy/haswell. I just think anyone who is willing to spend over $1000 on a cpu and mobo should invest in a custom loop.

Is a closed loop cooler for ivy-e with a moderate overclock doable? Yes
Is a custom water loop worth it in my opinion? Yes

Thanks for the quick response.
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Aircooling IS maintenance-free. It's also noisy and space-consuming.

People complain about pump noise in threads because they watercool so they can have a quiet rig. Any Laing pump running full blast is gonna make noise, but not as much as a case full of fans running full blast. There's endless ways to setup a custom loop, and if you wanted it absolutely silent, you could most definitely arrange it that way. Alot of people that want a quiet loop will add a 2nd pump, this is not only a safeguard in case one fails, but also allows you to run both pumps at a lower speed so you won't hear any noise. Also keep in mind, even with 1 pump, you're not gonna be running it at full speed on a regular basis, if at all.

Closed loop coolers are a great cooling option, but i personally don't consider them any type of step towards a custom loop. CLC's are set it and forget it, and don't teach you anything about watercooling. I have nothing against CLC's, they do their job well and are a nice step above air coolers, it's just not really the same category as a custom loop.

As far as the danger people worry about with leaks and whatnot, there's precautions that every1 takes when they set up a custom loop. And as long as you run through the safety measures you're not gonna damage your system. It's very easy (and pretty standard) to do a leaktest without putting any of your expensive components at risk. If you wanted to use a CLC type of setup to get your toes wet (pun intended =P), the Swiftech H220 or any type of expandable kit is your best choice. That way you can have the set it and forget it and still have the option to expand and learn how to setup a real loop.

But, if you're gonna spend the kind of money on a rig to get IB-E + RIVE BE, it's worth it to at least do a little research into watercooling so you can get the most out of what you're paying for. When people just see bits and pieces of conversations about watercooling, it sounds like you need a Bachelor's Degree in Watercooling just to setup a loop. But once you do a tiny bit of research and just understand the basics of a simple loop, reservoir -> pump -> block -> radiator, it's seriously not complicated. It's just figuring out how much cooling you can fit, and how quiet you wanna run it.

I agree with Arm3nian. A Closed Loop will work (better than an air cooler)
But with the enthusiast level hardware you're buying, it's absolutely worth it to learn how to setup a custom loop. It's like will a 720p monitor work on your GTX 780? Sure, but it would be worth it to get a top-of-the-line monitor to go with your top-of-the-line graphics card

A good post as well!
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My advice on leaks is this...

Use compression ONRY, use two wrenches to lock them ALL the way down, and use rotary everything to put as little pressure on your joints as possible.

Once your loop is finished it will be as low maintenance as it gets. Adding a little water to your res every few months > cleaning out dust every week. Rad's collect little dust, specially when using quiet fans.
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Even less maintenance if you add a fillport and fan filters =)
    
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I wish mobo manufactures would reverse the trend and include 1 PCI slot. Moving to PCIe x1 on high end boards makes soundcards like my ASUS Xonar Essence ST obsolete.
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The problem is with the Wifi, Sata Controllers, USB Controllers, Onboard Audio, all that stuff uses PCI lanes. When the chipset Intel uses has native Sata III & USB 3.0 integrated it leaves less need for Mobo manufacturers to get creative.
    
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I wish mobo manufactures would reverse the trend and include 1 PCI slot. Moving to PCIe x1 on high end boards makes soundcards like my ASUS Xonar Essence ST obsolete.

It's true you don't see the normal pci slot anymore, but I don't have a problem with it. Asus for example, is starting to include good sound cards on almost all of their ROG boards. I personally never liked or used soundcards, either use onboard/receiver or get an ideal sound setup (external dac < amp < speakers/headphones).
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I wish mobo manufactures would reverse the trend and include 1 PCI slot. Moving to PCIe x1 on high end boards makes soundcards like my ASUS Xonar Essence ST obsolete.

Your problem has more to do with chipset compatability and not many/if at all new hardware coming out for PCI. After all PCI is a dead standard thats been replaced by PCI-E
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Ugh After lots of questions/debates ended up taking back my VIPER 2133 RAM and ordering the G.SKILL Trident 2400 32gb pack from NewEgg. After relooking I noticed its 1.65v vice 1.5v will there be an issue with this on IVY-BE, as I recall somewhere that the new MEM voltage was 1.5 vice 1.6, worries me that I'll have incompatibilities and or OC instability. The VIPER's were only 1.5v.

Anyone have any input on this?

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820231590 Is what I ordered.

Frankly, that's a great choice. The TridentX's can have a low profile when their top fins are removed, which is why I like them.

It's the exact kit I want to buy. thumb.gif
But I think I'll save for IBE and the Rampage 4 BE first.
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