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The problem is, it's a engineering, logistics, and support nightmare that also goes in the exact opposite direction it would need to in order to succeed. In order to get people to pursue a common goal, especially if these people are companies and not idealistic designers, this goal has to be better than what it replaces. If this thing is made, it will be slow, big, expensive, and have terrible support. The concept at its core is theoretically possible, especially when taking future tech advancement into consideration, but no one will seriously attempt to make it since a custom design is basically better in every way. The small boon of being user-upgradable isn't much in the face of the extreme design difficulties, especially when much of the targeted audience probably wouldn't even understand or take advantage of that boon. Not to mention the fact that the customizability aspect, which is one of the two main selling points, can -and is- solved with simply producing different models of phones for different tasks/userbases...

On another note, sending a man to the moon isn't exactly comparable to making a modular smartphone. I get the ideal of "Everything is possible", but possible and practical are completely different things. We aren't saying it can't be done, we're saying that it almost certainly won't be done; the inherent design flaws are too great to practically overcome in the foreseeable future. Unless there's some massive paradigm shift and modular components become more efficient than simplified custom designs, I believe this concept will be relegated to being a neat idea and maybe a horribly cost-ineffective novelty for people with more money than they know what to do with.
That's pretty much what I was thinking. The way they seem to be thinking of doing it seems pretty horrendous.

What would be nice to see is if there was just a normal smart phone with a full sized SD slot and an optional larger battery that sticks out a little. I doubt anything else could be easily upgradable in something as small as a smart phone, without making it huge.
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So much for the concept being logistically infeasible. We should start seeing phones of the like early next year.

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So much for the concept being logistically infeasible. We should start seeing phones of the like early next year.



Yup, you can tell the phone is already thicker.

Battery module already looks smaller so you probably will need to two blocks to get a something like 2000mAh
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So much for the concept being logistically infeasible. We should start seeing phones of the like early next year.
You'll notice the phone linked in the youtube video uses set locations for the different components of the phone - similar to how a motherboard has set sockets and locations for mobo components. This is vastly different to the design hinted at in the OP, where you have a board with pin holes in it that you can mount any of the components in like lego.

I said in another thread about phone in the OP that something similar would be possible if it used set locations ofr each component, like a mobo, and if mobo manufacturers all got together and came up with standards for the mounts and components to be used - and that looks very similar to what Google is doing in the video you just linked.
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You'll notice the phone linked in the youtube video uses set locations for the different components of the phone - similar to how a motherboard has set sockets and locations for mobo components. This is vastly different to the design hinted at in the OP, where you have a board with pin holes in it that you can mount any of the components in like lego.

I said in another thread about phone in the OP that something similar would be possible if it used set locations ofr each component, like a mobo, and if mobo manufacturers all got together and came up with standards for the mounts and components to be used - and that looks very similar to what Google is doing in the video you just linked.

It's actually somewhere between the lego concept and a mobo. The component locations are only constrained by block size. None of them need to go in exact locations, such as a CPU in a CPU socket or memory in DIMMs.

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sooo is there a watercooling blok?
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It's actually somewhere between the lego concept and a mobo. The component locations are only constrained by block size. None of them need to go in exact locations, such as a CPU in a CPU socket or memory in DIMMs.

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That really does not sound plausible though. CPUs, memory, displays, ect require interconnects. To get enough throughput, you have to have more wires or use higher frequency.

How can you feasibly reduce a SoC's hundreds of pins to a few contact points?
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That really does not sound plausible though. CPUs, memory, displays, ect require interconnects. To get enough throughput, you have to have more wires or use higher frequency.

How can you feasibly reduce a SoC's hundreds of pins to a few contact points?

He mentioned the exact name or acronym of the interface they're using between blocks and the spine, but I'm not going to rewatch the video to find it. I'm assuming learning more about that interface and how the modules could utilize it might glean something.
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He mentioned the exact name or acronym of the interface they're using between blocks and the spine, but I'm not going to rewatch the video to find it. I'm assuming learning more about that interface and how the modules could utilize it might glean something.

At 13:56 the interface for modules is talked about.
10 gigabit per connector block (set of pins). Big modules with 2 connection blocks have 20 gigabit connection speed.
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At 13:56 the interface for modules is talked about.
10 gigabit per connector block (set of pins). Big modules with 2 connection blocks have 20 gigabit connection speed.

That is going to use a bunch of powers..... even for short-distances.

I am assuming that they will be using a more standard protocol like the one for PCIe, USB, or TCP for communication.
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