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usualy the certs are oki ... but usualy to theortical (The linux professional institute one is good but bleeping hard! ). Personaly im a centos man wink.gif downstream from redhat and yum based tongue.gif

Well you have to start some where! lol I just dont like how many of the jobs out there need experience before taking you in, I understand it dont get me wrong lol. However it then determines that you either get lucky for some kind of internship or build your own environment, after that I would consider theory to be the next best thing
    
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I know. The one thing i hate the most is "entry level" josb that require 1/2 years experiance -_-' it defeats the point!, IId still look at doing it in a website form rather than on here ^_^,

Im looking at doing something simmalr here => http://necurity.co.uk/netsec/index.html (still in construction tongue.gif ... dam css support), it makes it easier to keep track of and expand smile.gif, espcially with the width of topics biggrin.gif (you could chuck proxys / reverse proxys on there too as ive noticed you have web server up there ^_^ ).


as for the ethinal hacking id stick to just the vulnerability auditing and Nmap scans to ascertain the security of the network. just to keep on the right side of the mods ^_^
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I know. The one thing i hate the most is "entry level" josb that require 1/2 years experiance -_-' it defeats the point!, IId still look at doing it in a website form rather than on here ^_^,

Im looking at doing something simmalr here => http://alex.deborahclerkin.co.uk/netsec/index.html (still in construction tongue.gif ... dam css support), it makes it easier to keep track of and expand smile.gif, espcially with the width of topics biggrin.gif (you could chuck proxys / reverse proxys on there too as ive noticed you have web server up there ^_^ ).


as for the ethinal hacking id stick to just the vulnerability auditing and Nmap scans to ascertain the security of the network. just to keep on the right side of the mods ^_^

That is the reason I have taken this "Network Technician" position. However its really just a service desk most of the time with a hint of hardware rollouts and what not. Its really mellow, but its not where I want to be since this place uses proprietary programs and really dont take advantage of the tech thats out there. Its all things I didnt need formal training for, and also I dont think that much here since I dont have to lol.

So in the meantime I will continue education elsewhere, here or through other materials.

I'll need to look into how to build a Web Server to work as a support page for this thread. Thanks for the idea! lol

Just got me a new mechanical keyboard, I love this thing lol. It will make typing all this out so much more enjoyable. I was getting a little tired of the K90.
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bump, updated more content

any comments?

Uploaded personal notes for 70-640, far from complete but its all relevant for the exam.

Updated Unix/Linux reading material, just from looking around it looks to be a very notable resource, ill let you know when I finish it
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bump, I added more content to the OP.

I have also been reading the Unix and linux Handbook. Its technical enough, but also very easy to follow through without getting lost in commands or terminology. I have been reading it off and on when I have time. I also got some extra reading material from my brother in (who attends ITT tech for networking).

He had the following: Windows 7, Configuring 70-680 "Official Academic Course". It looks like a walk through guide to become familiar with the OS at first glance. Will look into it more later. Also a lab manual for 70-640, 70-642, 70-646. Looks like the same format as the previous book mentioned.

Those books dont have a price for them it seems, and are part of the IT academy program so it may just be a school distributed book only.

I also was able to borrow his book for Fedora and Red Hat Enterprise Linux book as well. Saves me some money because those book aren't cheap!

Also, the note I have uploaded are my own, I wont claim to say they cover every detail needed but it could be a good start without needing to purchase materials of your own.
    
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Ok first and foremost let me state this. While formal education is nice to have it is not required 80% of the time. All that Degree sayes is that, I'm not an idiot and know how to learn. I agree that a degree can be benefitial in some aspects when it comes to IT the whole dynamic changes. Now if you want to get a degree or get formal education as part of your personal goals then by all means go for it.

Now spending 5,10, 20 grand or more just to get into IT is beyond my comprehension and causes me to ask *** are you thinking. With a little more research you could have gotten into that Administration job, then onto an Engineering job with a lot less cost. Granted some people are not self disciplined enough to do self study and basically need to have a classroom atmosphere.

Example One
I want to be a Systems Engineer.
Step 1, find an Entry level job on a help desk (essentially answering pones and opening tickets) (This also gets your foot in the door of places where you can transition out into desktop and your start building experience)
Step 2, start studying for your MCP, and MCSE.
Step 3, once you have attained your MCP, start looking for a desktop support position or tech bench then finish your MCSE.
Step 4, once you have attained your MCSE start looking for a Systems Administrator aka Server Admin job, then start working on your specializations (These will be Database, Mail, Citrix, Virtualization so forth and so on) which is where you really start into the actual Engineering aspect.

Example Two
I want to be a Network Engineer
Step 1, same as above...find an Entry level job on a help desk (essentially answering pones and opening tickets) (This also gets your foot in the door of places where you can transition out into Networking and start building experience)
Step 2, if your are a complete n00b to networking start with your Net +, This should teach you the basic fundamentals like OSI model, subnetting, and converting hex
Step 3 at minimum you should understand the Net+ even if you don't obtain the cert, start working on your CCNA yes this can be done in 2 separate test with the CCENT however it is not required Do you need to have equipment no. Back when I took the CCNA granted it's been a few years Todd Lammle put out by Sybex had one of the best books far better than the Cisco Press ones. Even if you do not have access to equipment or simulators (GNS3 and/or Cisco Packet Tracer) there are examples shown with exactly what commands are required. I would recommend at minimum getting a simulator so you start to get familiar with Cisco syntax's. http://www.cisco.com/web/learning/netacad/index.html or http://www.gns3.net/ with GNS3 you have to get the IOS images and does not support Cisco switches. If you go the GNS3 route I would only recommend picking up a used 3550 not a 2950 nor 2960. You will need the 3550 for your later certs.
Step 4 after you have obtained your CCNA start looking for a Network Administrator or NOC (Network Operation Center) position. At this point there is a split you need to decide which path you want to proceed. Path 1 Route/Switch, Path 2 Security, Path 3 Voice, Path 4 Wireless, Path 5 Data Center, Path 6 Service Provider and Path 7 Design (I would not recommend Design at this stage) Once you have decided which path you want to continue down start studying for the appropriate CCNP. These are were it is normally recommended to pick up hardware or heavier use of simulators are used.

Now I can tell you from experience that out of the many jobs in the IT field each have a salary cap and each get into various specializations. Also it can not be stated enough these salaries are also based on location location location. If you live in the middle of the country, you will have a harder time finding these types of salaries. If you really want to hit these then like it or not you will 90% of the time have to relocate. Also note that all of these salaries is with approximately 15 years of experience and certified to the hilt. For anything Networking I am talking CCIE level.
Systems Engineering seem to cap at around $160k per year
Solutions Architecture seems to cap around $200k per year
Database Engineers seems to cap around $175k per year
Configuration Management seems to cap around $155k per year
Information Assurance seems to cap around $175k per year
Network Security Engineers seem to cap around $250k per year
Network Engineers seem to cap around $325k per year
Network Architecture seems to cap around $375k per year

now compare this to most on the business side
Project Managers seem to cap around $150k per year
IT Directors seem to cap around $200k per year
Program Managers seem to cap around $300k per year
CTO/CIO's are normally around $300-500k per year
CEO are $400k and up
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Thank you for your wealth of information!

Ill edit it, into the OP soon when I get the time, currently putting in small pieces here and there during work

Of the two Cisco related materials out there, which do you take more information from?

Wendell Odom or Todd Lammle?

Its a little tricky since the older ICND1/2 are expiring and now have new material to cover
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