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Ehm, sorry, but I disagree on the "omg 4930K domination" , "quads are dead" etc...

We have been hearing that with SB-E almost 2 years now...any tests to back up those claims?

Haswell and IB i7s have been matching or supracing SB-E performance figures in games - easily. With one card, with 2 cards, with 3 cards...

No, GPU performance doesn't rise exponentially. 2 Titans are like 3 7970s, and a 3770K can handle those as good if not better than a 3930K even in boards without PLX chips.

Not even the i5s get challenged really, with only a couple of "conditions" (like BF3 multiplayer) actually meaningfully benefiting from more threads. Cause getting 60 fps with one solution and 65 with the other is not "meaningful" in my book.

The 4770K is not a great overclocker (in absolute GHz numbers), but neither appears to be the 4930K. They appear to do roughly the same, i.e. 4.3GHz cookie cutter, 4.5 Average, 4.7 if you are lucky etc. The 4770K wins due to far less power recs, far less cooling reqs etc.
And due to IPC optimizations etc, a 4770K breaching 4.5GHz is un-touchable in single threadedperformance by most chips, unless you are dreaming of 24/7 running 5GHz clocks on 4930Ks...probably unrealistic. Delidded 3770Ks, maybe.

A 4770K + Asus Z87 Hero can be had for as much as the 4930K CPU alone. A board that cand do for the 4930K what the Hero does for the 4770K will be at least $350.
Then you have to add the expence for a better than 850W PSU if you go s2011 and you plan on overclocking CPU and 2x Titans.

The price difference is easily what a second CPU would cost down the road in the s1150 case...probably easily what a new CPU + Board would cost after selling the 4770K + Hero, with far less % loss of the initial invesment over what the IB-E will get in 1-2 years from now.

So, scratching the "extra core" and "extra PCIe lanes" benefit the s2011 gives you in theory - cause it doesn't translate in real life performance in 99% of the cases - we are left with what? Ability for 64 GB of RAM? I think we can safely say that 16GB is enough and 32GB is far more than what a gamer will probably need (cause things don't get exponentially more demanding, in the REAL world).

So, 6-cores are left there for epeen...that's it. Just accept it.
It is not bad, epeen is priceless. Just learn to say things in their name, instead of coming up with fubbar "facts".
Not even the Foo does that rolleyes.gif
Edited by pcfoo - 9/18/13 at 4:29pm
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Originally Posted by MrTOOSHORT View Post

What DizZz said...thumb.gif

Ok. MrTooshort, you have been advocating for 4930k in every thread that I have seen, and I know you are no spring chicken when it comes to overclocking.
So, I gotta ask you bud, what do you see in this chip as a water cooler from an overclocking perspective that I am missing? It is certainly not gonna do the 5.2 run on water like your 3970x which t got you the Titan score in HOF... I know about the text book answer of better imc, runs cooler, less degradation, native 3.0, yari, yari, yara
But, none of this makes up for poor overclocking on water relative to a 3930k or 3970x in terms if benchmarking. And. You know what I mean by overclocking- None of this whimpy 4.5-4.6 stuff
I mean 5.0 at least, on water without a chiller..
So, tell me why you are so sour on your 3970x. and in love with this chip ...tongue.gifsmile.gif
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I'm not sour at all about my cpu. Just that 4960x is the next gen replacement to the 3960x. I always make sure that I have the best cpu possible to help with benchmark scores, atleast try to. It's not going to be a huge jump though going from a SB-E to IVY-E under watercooling when it comes to getting higher cpu scores. That's why I'm in no rush to get a new cpu, mine is doing just fine! If I was loaded, I'd get a 4960x today, but I have to save my pennies for a new gpu. Would be nice to push 2800Mhz memory speeds too, but I'm stuck doing 2400Mhz 24/7. Still fast though.

One thing is I don't like how easily SB-E chips degrade as it seems to me anyways. I hear IVY chips taking 1.5v no problem 24/7 underwater, so maybe IVY-E must be ok with higher voltages too? I have to worry when I push 1.6v into my cpu for bench runs, is it going to make it?tongue.gif Hopefully IVY-E takes it easy on the motherboard's VRMs and keeps them a little cooler because of the lower power used. just a theory and probably has no merit, but the RIVEs VRMs get real toasty quickly. My cpu 8pin cpu power cable melted not too long ago because of all the power being pulled, fused into the mobo's cpu 8pin socket. Bought a new board a couple days ago, could have went into a GTX 780 instead.thumbsdownsmileyanim.gif

For around $600, I think the 4930k is an affordable and wicked cpu. Very fast for the price. I just think in the foreseeable that 6 core cpus will start to get more utilized when it comes to gaming.
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sorry to hear about your mobo bud .
I don't disagree with the merits of these incremental improvements in ivy-e over a sandy-e, but I have not seen any evidence of ivy-e being nearly as good an overclocker as sandy-e on water. so while a 4930k/4960x can handle more volts better than 3930k/3960x/3970x it won't do you any good unless you are doing it on a chiller, phase or ln2. I have not been keeping track of hwbot posts, but if you are seeing something different in terms of overclocking this chip on water, please feel free to share. tks.
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I'm sure I heard money is no object somewhere in the first post. I don't know how much Cinebench applies to games, then game engines, but it would make sense if more cores loads the Cinebench MULTI thread CPU bench then this MIGHT apply to higher resolution gaming. And we are on the brink of the 4k resolution era which would include gaming. Now if this doesn't apply then correct me. I know to base something like this on Cinebench is a lose/long shot but at the view point of Occam's Razor it seems logical.
     
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Originally Posted by deuce1 View Post

Hey,

Which CPu shoul i pick up for my new Rig?

1440p
Titan SLI
Win 7
16gb 2400 ram

All is focused on Gaming Preformance.

Money don't care - performance is is more important than price.

Have the z87 and 4770 any advantage over the x79 and ivye six core?
I habe 2 Watercooling Loops (cpu + mb and one for Titan Sli)

Greetings
If money isnt a problem get a used a 3930k if not get a 4930k....If you were on a budget i would suggest the 4770k....
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