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The problem with Linux on the desktop, as Linus said himself is the lack of computers supplied with Linux preinstalled. Most people just want to buy a computer and use it. They won't want to buy a computer running windows, format and install Linux for fear of either breaking it or doing something wrong, so they just use what's there already; Windows.

If you give someone a computer with Linux installed, it will most likely be able to do everything they want and they will be perfectly happy using it.

dell alienware sell them. So do a few custom pc builders. It will become more prevalent
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dell alienware sell them. So do a few custom pc builders. It will become more prevalent

I've only ever seen 1 computer for sale in a store running Linux, and that was a couple of years ago. If Linux is going more mainstream then they need to get lots more computers running Linux available to your average consumer.
     
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I've only ever seen 1 computer for sale in a store running Linux, and that was a couple of years ago. If Linux is going more mainstream then they need to get lots more computers running Linux available to your average consumer.

well there you have it. From my experience in the last 5 years I haven't hear of one person who went to a store and bought a PC. They did it online and got it delivered. And if you look online although not in the mainstream sites as of yet (bar Dell) then there isn't any linux machines but all it takes is for some marketing and a cheaper unit for it to start selling.

but forgetting the US for a minuet what you are seeing are governments around the world wanting to move to linux and away from American companies especially with the spy scandal. China,Russia,Germany and soon Brazil are moving or have moved to Linux. Other countries will follow. This is gathering pace now like never before due to many factors..
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The problem with Linux on the desktop, as Linus said himself is the lack of computers supplied with Linux preinstalled. Most people just want to buy a computer and use it. They won't want to buy a computer running windows, format and install Linux for fear of either breaking it or doing something wrong, so they just use what's there already; Windows.

If you give someone a computer with Linux installed, it will most likely be able to do everything they want and they will be perfectly happy using it.

Now that is true, and I can't deny it. But here's the kicker - projects like the MintBox and, possibly more relevant, the SteamBox, will really help. It will help in the same way a mobile OS does, and Windows does when it works - it'll shield the user from the gory internals & command-lines, and just present an easy UI. Think about it, Gabe never said anything about Linux on the desktop per se (although it's an inevitable bonus), the Steambox will run a custom distro that will boot into Steam directly. The fact it'll be running Linux is irrelevant to the end-user with the Steambox, but of great interest to someone owning a desktop PC or laptop thinking "Hmm, I like the look of that, it's got lots of games for it, I'm sticking it on my desktop". Give developers an option like that, a chance of more market share, and those undecided which route to go for their project (DirectX/OpenGL) might be swayed by it, meaning more cross-platform games. Which can only be a good thing, surely? smile.gif
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I've only ever seen 1 computer for sale in a store running Linux, and that was a couple of years ago. If Linux is going more mainstream then they need to get lots more computers running Linux available to your average consumer.

That there is the main problem. Plenty of manufacturers and online retailers/distributers offer Linux ( to those who know it exists ), but unless people can go to the store and see it and use it, then it likely isn't going to become as mainstream as it could be.
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what do people mean by closed standards (the standard of paying a bit of cash is my first guess as to what yous are referring to) really all a copy of windows costs for me in au is the average price of a game which I don't mind paying for when I use my os for 3+ years. instead of cheaping out and getting an os which doesn't have access to everything I decide to go buy the one with access to everything just to be on the safe side. I know nothing of dx and opengl so I won't get started there. Everything isn't going to be open as long as their are console exclusives there will be windows exclusives. oh and for the record don't even bother suggesting the Linux alternatives everyone i know uses the windows versions so that would be a pain.
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The Only "Publicly Mainstream Unix variant is IOS (Darwin), yes Apples IOS is Unix through and through, desktops and all iPhones / tablets.

Apple realized early on that it is a bad decision to advertise the Unix underpinnings and in fact do everything to keep "Uncle Unix" chained in the basement invisible to visiting family members and neighbors.

Gabe would do better to just "Focus" on making great customer experiences and leave the Unix announcements alone.
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The Only "Publicly Mainstream Unix variant is IOS (Darwin), yes Apples IOS is Unix through and through, desktops and all iPhones / tablets.

Apple realized early on that it is a bad decision to advertise the Unix underpinnings and in fact do everything to keep "Uncle Unix" chained in the basement invisible to visiting family members and neighbors.

Gabe would do better to just "Focus" on making great customer experiences and leave the Unix announcements alone.

Disagree.
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Someone tell this man to stop smoking the heavy stuff... it's not good for the health.
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The Only "Publicly Mainstream Unix variant is IOS (Darwin), yes Apples IOS is Unix through and through, desktops and all iPhones / tablets.

Apple realized early on that it is a bad decision to advertise the Unix underpinnings and in fact do everything to keep "Uncle Unix" chained in the basement invisible to visiting family members and neighbors.

Gabe would do better to just "Focus" on making great customer experiences and leave the Unix announcements alone.

Why are you on about Unix? This thread is about Linux, or to be specific GNU/Linux.

Also:
GNU (is)
Not
Unix
     
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