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So It time to start upgrading some components on my gaming rig and I'm looking for some advice. Please, if you decide to give any advice, keep in mind that I DO NOT OVERCLOCK anything. I am looking for out of the box best build with the options I'm listing. I am a heavy gamer and run my PC maybe 16 hours out of the day in game or with high end graphics programs.



Mobo

Currently my mobo is the Sabertooth P67. http://www.asus.com/Motherboards/SABERTOOTH_P67/

I WILL be upgrading to the Sabertooth Z87. http://www.asus.com/Motherboards/SABERTOOTH_Z87/



Cooling

I'm currently using the Corsair H100i. http://www.corsair.com/us/hydro-series-h100i-extreme-performance-liquid-cpu-cooler.html

This will not be changing.


CPU

Currently I'm using the Intel i702600K. http://ark.intel.com/products/52214/Intel-Core-i7-2600K-Processor-(8M-Cache-3_40-GHz)

I will be upgrading my CPU, but I'm stuck on which one to get. Either:

Intel® Core™ i7-4770K Processor (8M Cache, up to 3.90 GHz)

or the new

Intel® Core™ i7-4771 Processor (8M Cache, up to 3.90 GHz)

Intel's comparison link: http://ark.intel.com/compare/75123,77656


GPU

Currently I'm using 2 EVGA GTX 560 TI's FPB in SLI. http://www.evga.com/articles/00609/Default.asp

I am looking to upgrade, but cannot decide which to get. I do not have to run SLI, but I would like to use my newest 560 TI as a dedicated physics card.

I'm looking at the GTX 680. http://www.geforce.com/hardware/desktop-gpus/geforce-gtx-680 But am open to other options. I would like to spend under $600 on the GPU. I am open to other suggestions, even continuing with SLI. I just need something better than the two 560's I have now.


PSU

Curreltly using the Corsair TX850. http://www.corsair.com/en/power-supply-units/tx-series-power-supply-units/tx-series-tx850-80-plus-bronze-certified-850-watt-high-performance-power-supply.html I wasn't planning on upgrading but do I need to?


Memory

Currently I'm using 8GB (2GBx4) DDR3/1600MHz Dual Channel Memory Module Kingston HyperX.

I want to upgrade to 32GB (8GBx4) But I'm undecided on the route to go. I've always used Kingston, but am not opposed to trying Corsair. As far as the two companies go, personally I'd go with whatever looks best with the Sabertooth Z87. These are the 3 I'm looking at:

Kingston HyperX Beast 32GB (4 x 8GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1866 XMP http://www.kingston.com/us/memory/hyperx/predator/beast

Kingston HyperX Beast 32GB (4 x 8GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1600 (PC3 12800)
http://www.kingston.com/us/memory/hyperx/predator/beast


SSD's will stay the same.

Case will stay the same Level 10 GT
http://level10gt.thermaltake.com/
    
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To use your format:

Mobo

I like it. *shrugs*

CPU

If Haswell is anything like Ivy Bridge, and it seems to be similar, I say go for the i5-4670K. As far as gaming goes, the i7 doesn't really have any noticeable benefits over the i5 that justify the hundred dollar price difference.

GPU

I say get two HD 7970's. Best bang for your buck, and you get a few games. This one specifically. I know it's not the prettiest card, but it'll make the most out of your 600, for sure. It should also be fine with your current PSU. But, if you insist on nVidia, I say grab two 760's. Lower price and lower performance, but it's nVidia.

PSU

What you have is just fine.

Memory

For gaming, the most you'll even need is 16GB. And even that's overkill. So I say just get another kit like the one you have to bump it up to 16. That should do the trick.

Hope all that helped.
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Thanks. Going to stay with NVidia. I've just always used them and never had an issue I couldn't fix myself. I hadn't looked into the 700 series all that much. 3D mark 11 is showing the 680 to well out preform the 760. http://www.geforce.com/hardware/desktop-gpus/geforce-gtx-760/performance

Further regarding the 680 ti vs the 760:

Higher clock speed
1,006 MHz vs 925 MHz Around 10% higher clock speed

Better floating-point performance
3,090 GFLOPS vs 2,486 GFLOPS Around 25% better floating-point performance

Significantly higher turbo clock speed
1,058 MHz vs 950 MHz More than 10% higher turbo clock speed

Higher pixel rate
32.2 GPixel/s vs 25.9 GPixel/s Around 25% higher pixel rate

Higher texture rate
128.8 GTexel/s vs 103.6 GTexel/s Around 25% higher texture rate

Slightly more texture mapping units
128 vs 112 16 more texture mapping units

Lower TDP
195W vs 250W More than 20% lower TDP

More SMX units
8 vs 7 1 more SMX units



As far as Ivy and Haswell, I haven't looked at anything other than the i7's. Interesting that you would recommend the i5. However, money isn't an issue. I just have certain amounts I don't wish to break on certain items. Like $600 for a single GUP.



And I agree that the memory is overkill, but if I can afford the 32GB, why not? Unless it's going to cause me to have to install more cooling that what I'm using, I'd rather have the bigger and better.
    
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Okay then. But about the GPU's, I say get two 760's as opposed to one 680 (which is also disapearing from the radar). Or do you not want to spend over 600 per card?
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I wasn't wanting to spend over $600 per card. I would like to continue to use the newest 560 as a physics card, but in doing so, I would need a pretty beefy stand alone. I'm not opposed to 2 new GPU's, but it would have to be a significant upgrade from one 680. (which ASUS has a 2GB for $350). You are right though about the 680s fading into the background, there just isn't a decent replacement yet that isn't absurdly priced.
    
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In all honesty your plans are pretty dumb. At least from a "not pulling $100 bills out of your wallet and setting them on fire" standpoint.

Mobo: If you're not going to overclock why oh why are you overspending on motherboards that are overkill even for people who ARE overclocking? Get a cheap B85/H81 for exactly the same performance at $100 or so savings. Or, you know, don't upgrade your CPU/get a new mobo at all since that's also foolish...

That's at least one $100 bill you can light on fire just for fun that I've saved you.

Cooler:
Why the ()#*$ would you buy that if you're not overclocking? 'Cause of the looks? Is the stock heatsink that ugly to you?

CPU:
K processors mean you can overclock them. They cost more, too. Since your shtick seems to be buying top-end overclocking components and then... not using them... seems like the K version is the best idea. Either way, expect to see essentially zero noticeable benefit while gaming. Possibly increasing to 1 to 2 FPS benefit in Arma 3, SC2, or Rome 2: Total War... and no other games.

A note on overclocking: You could blow away the performance of either the i7-4770k or the i7-4771 you listed without spending a dime on mobo or processor. Just saying. Like, leagues ahead in raw power. Of course, that would mean not spending another $500 or so on new components. And really, the $100 I already saved for you to light on fire is plenty. Trust me, burning money gets old. It's much better to buy $500 of Frankincense and burn that. So, to summarize. You can upgrade as planned or get superior performance and also buy 34 pounds of frankincense for the same price. Gold and mrryh not included.

Of course that would just be silly. Not much point to 34 pounds of frankincense. Since we here at overclock.net like to optimize builds, I suggest you take a different path. By overclocking rather than upgrading CPU & mobo, we've already considerably increased your performance. Now we need to optimize & fit your budget. So we've got about $500 to burn. Why get just frankincense? We can go for the trifecta - gold, frankincense, and myrrh. PLUS light a single $100 bill on fire.

Gold's expensive right now, but you can still afford a 1/10 oz. coin in your budget ($150)
http://www.goldandsilveronline.com/p/15/5--Dollar-tenth-oz-american-eagle-gold-coin?ref=gmc&gclid=CJaCzdfR0rkCFY9eQgodnzUAPg

Frankincense is unparalleled in terms of tradition & power, but we don't need 34 pounds. 10 pounds will do. ($135)
10x http://www.amazon.com/madina-Madina-frankincense-1-Lb/dp/B002IST97C/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1379427654&sr=8-1&keywords=frankincense

And, of course, myrrh. Now we could go with liquid myrrh to match your cooling setup, but I prefer the strength & longevity of pure resin for your purposes. Let's grab 5 pounds of the stuff. ($110)
20x http://www.amazon.com/Ethiopian-Myrrh-Ounces-Incense-Resin/dp/B001AYG2P2/ref=sr_1_4?ie=UTF8&qid=1379427773&sr=8-4&keywords=myrrh

That should just about bring you to your budget. But with our optimizations you have a better upgrade, a gold coin, 10 pounds of frankincense, and 5 pounds of myrrh that you wouldn't have had before. Plus a spare Benjamin ($100) to light on fire. Welcome to Overclock.net.

GPU:
A 680 is old news. Get a 770/780 (serious advice).
Edit: upon further reflection, you are probably right that a 680 is a superior solution than the 770 for your purposes. But if you cared at all about cost-effectiveness, see the section above...

PSU:
It's fine.

Memory:
Memory is like HDD space. Not enough is a problem, but too much is utterly useless. *** do you think you will use 32 gb for? Hint: you're not going to use 32gb, stick with what you have.

Note: That should mean you have enough spare budget for another two Benjamins lit on fire. Or an additional 5-10 pounds of myrrh.
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Quote:
MOBO
Get a cheap B85/H81 for exactly the same performance

CPU:
K processors mean you can overclock them. They cost more, too. seems like the K version is the best idea. Either way, expect to see essentially zero noticeable benefit while gaming. Possibly increasing to 1 to 2 FPS benefit in Arma 3, SC2, or Rome 2: Total War... and no other games.

A note on overclocking: You could blow away the performance of either the i7-4770k or the i7-4771 you listed without spending a dime on mobo or processor.

GPU:
A 680 is old news. Get a 770/780 (serious advice).
Edit: upon further reflection, you are probably right that a 680 is a superior solution than the 770 for your purposes.

PSU:
It's fine.

Memory:
Memory is like HDD space. Not enough is a problem, but too much is utterly useless.

I believe you meant to day the above as it's the only relevant thing in your post. I have a broker thank you. That's why I can do stupid ****, or whatever else I care to. When my finances are in trouble, I'll look you up, thumb.gif Otherwise, thanks for the advice.
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You've obviously never burnt high-grade frankincense resin. It will dramatically improve your general experience for whatever you're doing in the room where the offering is made. thumb.gif

But seriously, I can't tell what your goals are. Not the best performance possible. Or you'd go with a 780 at the least & probably a new overclockable CPU. Not a reasonable deal, or you wouldn't be talking about getting a pointless mobo model while simultaneously picking a 680 because it's reasonably priced. What DO you want? The best money can buy? Or a cost-efficient upgrade? Right now what you're looking at fails at both potential goals.
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Looking further into your comments, I agree with your GPU comments. Reading further into the 700 series, I'm looking at either a 780 4gb or two 770's as sli. Undecided though. As far as the mobo, I've always used the Sabertooth. P67, when the Z77 came out, I swapped, and now the Z87. That is just personal preference. The same as having the Level 10 GT Tower built by BMW, just personal preference. I don't overclock because I'm not skilled at it. While I am interested in OC at some point, getting near the best out of the box equipment to use until I get to that point seems logical rather the getting just good enough and having to do another upgrade sooner than later. I understand that I don't Need this or that. I don't need 3 30" monitors to play Diablo III, but I have them regardless.

But back to my original post, I set out looking for advice on a specific build. You don't have to like it or agree with it. Good thing I'm building it for MY use, regardless of cost or reason.

I am looking to upgrade. IT needs to be somewhat cost efficient, but it's not a major concern. I don't care to spend over $600 on any sole part. So $250 for a mobo, $250 for RAM, $500 on an SSD, $450 on a CPU and $100 to $250 on the latest peripherals that Razer has released, is under budget.


And no, I haven't burnt high-grade frankincense resin. I'll look into it though since you've peaked my curiosity on something irrelevant. Kinda like trying Kopi Luwak.
    
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