Originally Posted by Tadaen Sylvermane
Still a couple days before they get back from cross country I'll download it and have a look. I was hoping to move them away from a start menu but the more I think about it the more I'm thinking that they may have a real hard time with that and demand I put it back the way it was.
Sidenote: Put the Ubuntu 12.04 on my sig as well. I wish I could understand the Ubuntu hate, maybe because it doesn't require a technical know-how? Or just because it's the most popular people hate on it? I rather enjoy using it. Prefer Debian of course but Unity is growing on me fast.
I don't hate Ubuntu - granted I don't like it much, but I also don't like much Chinese food yet will still go to Chinese restaurants if invited out. What I do hate is Canonical's attitude. Canonical have quite an influence over the Linux community and they frequently abuse that:
- by writing bespoke software and patches and not pushing their code back upstream (even Apple contribute more back to FOSS than Canonical do. And Microsoft have released more code for the Linux kernel than Canonical have. That's just despicable in my opinion),
- by integrating their code so tightly with Ubuntu that it's a complete nightmare to port to other distros (I can understand the need and desire to integrate their stuff, but when all the other major distros are focusing on writing portable code (Debian and Arch both run on BSD and Hurd kernels, Redhat code runs on a multitude of other *nix OSs, etc. Yet half of Canonical's code doesn't even port to other Linux distros let alone other POSIX / *nix OSs).
- by breaking compatability with other Linux distros due to their own misplaced pride in a worthless display server (Mir)
- by spreading FUD about other distros (largely regarding them having to justify their pointless display server)
- by constantly pushing broken software to their end users instead of waiting and contributing to those projects and then including them when they're ready (PulseAudio, Unity, etc)
- ...and that list is even in spite of my forgiving a number of other indiscretions already (such as the Amazon tracking - I can accept that Shuttleworth needs to make more profit from Ubuntu desktop. I don't agree with the way how he's done it, but I can sympathise with him)
But the worst thing of all is that Ubuntu isn't even that
good. I mean, it's not crap, but it's not the best. In trying to cater for everyone, Canonical have fallen into the same traps that Microsoft have with Windows, so Ubuntu has grown into a slower and bloated jack of all trades but master of none. So while I don't begrudge people for running Ubuntu -after all, if you just want a quick installing, low hassle distro, then Ubuntu is fine- but there are better and more refined distros out there which don't get nearly half as much love. And other distros which contribute significantly more to FOSS (and which Ubuntu wouldn't exist without) yet get completely overlooked.
So I get fed up with the priority that many end users seem to give to Ubuntu. It's completely disproportional to the mount of love it, and Canonical, deserve. And being platform agnostic as I am, Ubuntu fanboys just piss me right off as they are often clueless about anything outside of their bubble - much like Apple fanboys, which is probably why you often see the same level of backlash against Ubuntu/Canonical as you do against Apple.
Originally Posted by Tadaen Sylvermane
*EDIT* Just started downloading the 64 bit Zorin 6.4 LTS. Is this really true?
Have never had a single problem with downloading through Chrome / Chromium
That's utter BS and would make me very sceptical about trying that distro. At best, the they have people on their team who are utterly clueless about technology. But at worst, they're using social engineering to trick you into a driveby download attack that Firefox may be vulnerable to.