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RAID0 was best for mechanical drives. The overhead caused by the RAID controller isn't fast enough to benefit what one SSD can already do by itself.

Depends on the controller. Built-in AMD or Intel controllers, maybe, but a discrete PCIe controller should theoretically handle it significantly better. The built-in controllers are fine for HDDs however.
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Depends on the controller. Built-in AMD or Intel controllers, maybe, but a discrete PCIe controller should theoretically handle it significantly better. The built-in controllers are fine for HDDs however.

that is true.

Then I'd argue, is it worth the risk tongue.gif

Mechanical drive may take 4 seconds to load your browser.

Your single SSD may take 0.5 seconds to open the same browser.

A RAID0 of SSDs may take 0.25 seconds to open the same browser.

Sure, Raid0 ssd's open the browser 50% faster, but it is perceivable? Is it worth the risks associated with RAID0? The sinlge SSD would still be opening the browser 8 times faster than the mechanical drive.

Sort of a scene of diminishing returns.

That's why the workload for every specific person is important. For daily use and games, it'll make 0 differences. For LARGE file transfers (30+ gigs) daily, then sure, maybe you'd want the extra throughput.
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I'm not too worried about space... What I really just want is something very fast. just for my OS, Sony Vegas, and like 1-2 of my most commonly used games. So I'm willing to pay a pretty penny, just for a small capacity. (Like 64-128GB)

It's for my Gliese 581 d rig down below.. what would be some bottlenecking factors?
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Sure, Raid0 ssd's open the browser 50% faster, but it is perceivable? Is it worth the risks associated with RAID0? The sinlge SSD would still be opening the browser 8 times faster than the mechanical drive.

Sort of a scene of diminishing returns.

That's why the workload for every specific person is important. For daily use and games, it'll make 0 differences. For LARGE file transfers (30+ gigs) daily, then sure, maybe you'd want the extra throughput.

All depends on what you mean by risk. Getting an HDD with absolutely perfect firmware is still a gamble since they can be damaged in transit before even reaching your computer. I'd take a single platter drive over a four-platter drive for important data too, since those also alter the risk. But SSDs, provided the firmware is good (see: early Sandforce controllers), don't get damaged in transit at all (or just extremely rarely) and don't fail more often at higher capacities leaving the usage itself to kill them. They will die from writes of course, but I believe that they will also be more likely to be damaged in brown-outs, for example, than HDDs due to the latter's relative lack of circuitry. HDDs, if you get a good one, should last a very long time, but not nearly as long as a good SSD if you take care of it.

Now, your semi-rhetorical questions: The speed increase will likely not be noticeable except for, as you said, constant, large writes. RAID should help longevity too as the wear would be spread across 2+ different drives, similar to how a 240GB drive lasts longer than a 120GB drive: there are more NAND modules across which the wear is leveled, though it also gives a speed boost. You'd want RAID 0 and a RAM cache for write intensive tasks. But for a normal consumer? A single 120-256GB drive is enough but cheap performance is easily done with RAID 0 120-128GB drives (no less due to small drives being over $1/GB) if needed. Risks? As I said they aren't nearly as prevalent for SSDs and you should have back-ups anyway.
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All depends on what you mean by risk. Getting an HDD with absolutely perfect firmware is still a gamble since they can be damaged in transit before even reaching your computer. I'd take a single platter drive over a four-platter drive for important data too, since those also alter the risk. But SSDs, provided the firmware is good (see: early Sandforce controllers), don't get damaged in transit at all (or just extremely rarely) and don't fail more often at higher capacities leaving the usage itself to kill them. They will die from writes of course, but I believe that they will also be more likely to be damaged in brown-outs, for example, than HDDs due to the latter's relative lack of circuitry. HDDs, if you get a good one, should last a very long time, but not nearly as long as a good SSD if you take care of it.

Now, your semi-rhetorical questions: The speed increase will likely not be noticeable except for, as you said, constant, large writes. RAID should help longevity too as the wear would be spread across 2+ different drives, similar to how a 240GB drive lasts longer than a 120GB drive: there are more NAND modules across which the wear is leveled, though it also gives a speed boost. You'd want RAID 0 and a RAM cache for write intensive tasks. But for a normal consumer? A single 120-256GB drive is enough but cheap performance is easily done with RAID 0 120-128GB drives (no less due to small drives being over $1/GB) if needed. Risks? As I said they aren't nearly as prevalent for SSDs and you should have back-ups anyway.

hmm I never thought of that benefit. THanks smile.gif

I think I'm just no longer under the impression that $1.00 per gb is a good deal for SSD's. Used to be way more, sure, but nowadays, sacrifice 15% of performance for a 65% discount!
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hmm I never thought of that benefit. THanks smile.gif

I think I'm just no longer under the impression that $1.00 per gb is a good deal for SSD's. Used to be way more, sure, but nowadays, sacrifice 15% of performance for a 65% discount!

It's obvious once you think about it but isn't the first benefit people think of when they think "RAID." Most people think bug spray, we think better performance, then we think redundancy, and finally wear reduction (or that's just me). Since an SSD's life is capacity * P/E cycles, you get 3000 cycles for an MLC drive times 240GB. That's 720TB worth of writes before it kicks the bucket. But two in RAID 0? The capacity doubles, obviously, and the P/E cycles stay the same, and suddenly you're up to 1.44PB of potential writes. It would be the same stress across a single volume composed of two separate drives. In a way, each additional set of NAND modules on the PCB is like RAID 0 with a single device. That's why my 120GB 840 gets half the sequential writes as my 250GB version. Both off SATA II, though that isn't yet a bottleneck. But for reads especially, SATA III really is becoming a limit for SSDs, which makes RAID able to, not necessarily give better performance, but give expected performance assuming no bottleneck. Check this review out right here. The same SSD is being used in both tests and fits in both mSATA and mPCIe slots but gives drastically less performance in SATA.

I wish 840s were a third the price of the Pros. Then you could RAID 0 them for three times the capacity and 170% more performance for the exact same price! But yeah, I'm really not sure how worth it the Pros are over the standard 840s. I know I use those as examples all the time, but 1) I have experience with them, and 2) other than type of NAND, they are exactly the same, the controller being one of the more important aspects. $160-170 for six fewer GB and half the write speeds for the 840 compared to the $210-220 Pro. If it were $10 more (i.e. the EVO), then I'd take it, but the performance is already good enough that they just aren't worth it in general, at least I don't think. That's money to put towards a better PSU or more VRAM on a GPU.
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RAID should help longevity too as the wear would be spread across 2+ different drives, similar to how a 240GB drive lasts longer than a 120GB drive: there are more NAND modules across which the wear is leveled, though it also gives a speed boost. You'd want RAID 0 and a RAM cache for write intensive tasks. But for a normal consumer? A single 120-256GB drive is enough but cheap performance is easily done with RAID 0 120-128GB drives (no less due to small drives being over $1/GB) if needed. Risks? As I said they aren't nearly as prevalent for SSDs and you should have back-ups anyway.

The 240-256GB SSD's tend to offer better $/GB value not to mention newer budget SSD's in the 120-128GB capacities tend to have noticeably lower performance compared to bigger models (less channels populated). If I needed 240-256GB worth of storage, I'd go for the single drive configuration.

Between a single 480-512GB or 2x 240-256GB RAID-0, though, $/GB is quite comparable. Sometimes, getting 2x 240-256GB SSD's is even cheaper so in this case, I'd actually opt for the RAID-0 array if the build has space for it.

As for wear reduction, I don't give a thought to it as theoretically, 2x 128GB SSD's would have the same TBW as a single 256GB SSD.
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So I can choose between a 240GB RevoDrive 3 X2 for $240.00 or two 128GB Samsung 840 Pro in RAID 0 for ~$255.00. I already have three graphics cards and I have 40 pcie lanes. So I could run them at x8 each and then the revodrive is only x4 .
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Originally Posted by iPDrop View Post

So I can choose between a 240GB RevoDrive 3 X2 for $240.00 or two 128GB Samsung 840 Pro in RAID 0 for ~$255.00. I already have three graphics cards and I have 40 pcie lanes. So I could run them at x8 each and then the revodrive is only x4 .
Do you need high sequential read/write? What do you actually need the extra cost/performance for? If you are just doing consumer workloads, you won't notice any difference.

If just consumer workloads, get a 256GB Samsung 840 EVO....
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This review shows how fast the 530 is http://www.guru3d.com/articles_pages/intel_530_ssd_benchmark_review_test,12.html
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