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Hey guys,

I am planning to do some recording for my Youtube channel. Mainly BF4. I am playing in 1920x1080 and would like to record at 60fps so I can do a lil bit of slow-mo in my montages smile.gif I use Dxtory to record. I am using Lossless Lagarith but I might change it to one of the others (h2xx)

So far I have been using a CnMemory Core 2.5" USB3.0 500gb drive but the maximum throughput as measured by Dxtory is 70MB/s, I am pretty sure that needs to change because already it feels like it's hard on the limit.

Do you guys know what the criterias are for chosing an appropriate HD/SSD are? Cache, minimum write speed etc? Most importantly how do I calculate the minimum (worst case scenario) write speed required? And how do I know a HD/SSD can do that write speed?

I know the basic calc for uncompressed goes like 32bpp x 1920 x 1080 x 60Hz = 474 MB/s. But afaik Lagarith Lossless does compress... but is it 32bbp? and how much MB/s does lagarith produce?

Any advice appreciated !


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Well if it helps I recorded to a Western digital black which worked fine, that was for WoW Raids

Have a look at the new WD Blue 1tb, get the EZEX model since it's the 1TB platter which is a lot quicker.

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Well if it helps I recorded to a Western digital black which worked fine, that was for WoW Raids

Have a look at the new WD Blue 1tb, get the EZEX model since it's the 1TB platter which is a lot quicker.

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Thanks for the tip! thumb.gif

It's got a transfer rate (buffer to disc) of 150MB/s (sustained). Is that the parameter I should be looking for, for recording?

The WD Black 1 TB ( WD1002FAEX) has 126MB/s (max) as the transfer rate (buffer to disc). How do they compare?

Will 150MB/s(sustained) be enough for 1920x1080@60Hz though?
Edited by Gero2013 - 9/18/13 at 3:14am
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The blues will burst 200mb/s

http://www.overclock.net/t/1297633/wd10ezex-review-wd-blue-1tb-single-platter-drive/0_100

That's a review of the new EZEX drives, it should be more than enough for your recording.

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The blues will burst 200mb/s

http://www.overclock.net/t/1297633/wd10ezex-review-wd-blue-1tb-single-platter-drive/0_100

That's a review of the new EZEX drives, it should be more than enough for your recording.

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Thanks I'll have a read good read when I get home, I flicked through, didnt see anything about burst, tbh I have no idea about HD technology, but wouldn't it be sequential writing that I'd be looking for? Since when recording it's a continuous data stream.
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200Mb burst on that drive, not very good as a lone system drive but very good for storage.

It beats the black as well to be honest, hence why I mentioned it.

Just don't fill it up, use up 500Gb and then move it off elsewhere...

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Current Blacks are old while the Blues have newer 1TB platters giving them fast sequential performance. Average sequential of the Blue is ~150MB/s with ~200MB/ on the outermost portion and ~100MB/s on the inner portions. I recommend partitioning the Blue, the first partition for live DxTory recordings and the second for archive/edits. Make the first partition the smallest possible while still being big enough to hold your live recordings. If the space isn't enough, then you might consider 2x WD 1TB Blue in RAID-0. They're relatively inexpensive anyway.

Lagarith allows you to choose from 4 color spaces.
  • RGB+Alpha channel is 32bpp (497.66MB/s uncompressed).
  • Normal RGB (Lagarith default) is 24bpp (373.25MB/s uncompressed).
  • YUY2 or YUV 4:2:2 is 16bpp (248.83MB/s uncompressed).
  • YV12 or YUV 4:2:0 which is commonly used by various video codecs is 12bpp (186.62MB/s uncompressed).

Uncompressed bitrates above are for 1080p60. Lagarith uses lossless compression so the actual compression ratio and file sizes would depend on video complexity. Nonetheless, if you stick to YV12 color space, then your video recordings will never exceed 186.62MB/s. Most likely, recordings will be at ~30-60% of that or ~55-110MB/s.
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Current Blacks are old while the Blues have newer 1TB platters giving them fast sequential performance. Average sequential of the Blue is ~150MB/s with ~200MB/ on the outermost portion and ~100MB/s on the inner portions. I recommend partitioning the Blue, the first partition for live DxTory recordings and the second for archive/edits. Make the first partition the smallest possible while still being big enough to hold your live recordings. If the space isn't enough, then you might consider 2x WD 1TB Blue in RAID-0. They're relatively inexpensive anyway.

Lagarith allows you to choose from 4 color spaces.
  • RGB+Alpha channel is 32bpp (497.66MB/s uncompressed).
  • Normal RGB (Lagarith default) is 24bpp (373.25MB/s uncompressed).
  • YUY2 or YUV 4:2:2 is 16bpp (248.83MB/s uncompressed).
  • YV12 or YUV 4:2:0 which is commonly used by various video codecs is 12bpp (186.62MB/s uncompressed).

Uncompressed bitrates above are for 1080p60. Lagarith uses lossless compression so the actual compression ratio and file sizes would depend on video complexity. Nonetheless, if you stick to YV12 color space, then your video recordings will never exceed 186.62MB/s. Most likely, recordings will be at ~30-60% of that or ~55-110MB/s.

Awesome, thanks for the clarification. thumb.gif
Looks great, I should be fine with a Blue then. I can also see how I am right at the limit with my old external at 70MB/s.
Obviously an SSD (say a Samsung 840 Pro) should also do the job right? I may have to get another SSD since BF3 and BF4 may not fit on the same 128 SSD I have right now.

Is there anywhere I can read up about the compression? I found this bit here

http://www.media-matters.net/docs/resources/Digital%20Files/General/lossless_codecs_test_en.pdf
Page 14.

Does it look legit to you?
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Why don't you RAID0 two Blacks?
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The blacks aren't as quick as the blues biggrin.gif
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