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7970 Ghz is NOT a refresh of 7970! When are people going to get this in their heads? The 7970 Ghz was literally a 7970 factory clocked to 1,000Mhz, they even released a "Ghz Bios" for cards that weren't "Ghz" edition!

Yeah it just so ironically hits the market after the 680 came in and outperformed the 7970. It was a refresh no doubt about it from Amd to reclaim the crown. So if this new Amd card comes in at 5% faster then the 780 and then Nvidia drops a 780ghz to reclaim the crown that wouldn't be a refresh? If its a factory made card its a refresh bro sorry.
 
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If that's the case you guys can forget a $500 dollar price tag. Although I believe part of the 780's $650 price tag is based off the materials it uses and build quality not just performance Amd is not stupid. If there card is on the level of the 780 or faster even they will ask a comparable price for it. When the 7970 hit the shelves it was more then any single gpu card ever from Amd. It wasn't until the 680 dropped at a cheaper price and better performance that forced the hand of Amd to drop their 7970 price. Ultimately leading to the ghz edition soon after. If this new card is faster then the 780 you won't see a price tag under $600. Nvidia has had no problems selling the 780 at $650. Things have changed and prices continue to go up with these gpu's almost every year. You either adjust and accept the price hikes or you run mid-range hardware. Like anything else in life you have to pay to play.

The 780's price tag is based on Nvidia's ability to maximize profits at that price segment. If Nvidia found out that the demand for the GTX780 was the same at $800 as it was at $650 they would price the GTX780 at $800, but they don't. It's because they know $650 is the most profitable price segment. Contrary to popular belief on OCN, prices aren't determined by what competitor's prices, it's just a single factor.

Oh and
http://www.hardwarecanucks.com/news/video/hd-7970-price-cuts-dont-count-on-it/
7970 prices didn't change for a while even after the GTX680 came out. The reason being that demand still matched supply at the price segment the 7970s were selling at. The reason why the 7970's price was so high in the first place was because AMD was in short supply, so they priced the card based on estimated demand at the price segment. IIRC the 7970's prices even up a few times.

If AMD can maximize profits will undercutting the GTX780 they'll definitely do it. That's how businesses work, they're ultimately concerned about the profit.
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I heard a good mnemonic somewhere about the naming scheme: It's like R is like the i in i3, i5, i7. Of Intel processors.
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Seriously guys, we're all just speculating in excitement...

What I don't understand is if Nvidia can pull off 680->780 performance increase, why can AMD not make the faster R2D2 reach 780 performance after 2 years, even with modded bios and OCed. The question is what they have gone for, if it's efficiency then they will have done exactly the same as Nvidia release a fast card nowhere near it's full potential. If they have any brains though they'll allow us to OC it without modding bios, and release it cheaper than the 780. The only reason the 780 costs as much as it does is lack of competition.
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Then again, you don't even build your own systems, so I wouldn't expect you to fully understand hardware.
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Don't hate because I'm much better off financially then you.
Okay, BOTH comments are a out of line.

do both of you need a time out?


and me, the pot, calling the kettle black redface.gif
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I didn't.......

Yes you did....
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Don't hate because I'm much better off financially then you. Always bringing up that I can afford to pay someone to build my rigs doesn't make you look cool sorry. You can make your point without dropping that line every time. But jealousy makes that impossible for you. I feel sorry for you I really do.

You don't get anymore clear than that...

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Okay, BOTH comments are a out of line.

do both of you need a time out?


and me, the pot, calling the kettle black redface.gif

I am good, my comment just stems from his history of spreading incorrect information, and then defending it like it is correct. He has a history of doing it.

Further; when you build your own systems you learn more, you simply have that extra level of experience in doing something, and are going to be a bit more careful at it, and take more time. Like it or not, but people that build their own systems tend to have a higher level of understanding.
    
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1400 USD for a 14 foot card? That's a steal!

Bringing a whole new level of competition to the super-cutthroat "performance-per-length" metric. lachen.gif
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Further; when you build your own systems you learn more, you simply have that extra level of experience in doing something, and are going to be a bit more careful at it, and take more time. Like it or not, but people that build their own systems tend to have a higher level of understanding.

"tend" The fact that he had got someone else to build his system are just as pointless as mentioning financial stats into the conversation. Last time I checked, pre builder do not have a PC knowledge test, which if you get too high of a mark, you cannot buy a pre build system.
Edited by Testier - 9/19/13 at 11:10am
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I am good, my comment just stems from his history of spreading incorrect information, and then defending it like it is correct. He has a history of doing it.

Further; when you build your own systems you learn more, you simply have that extra level of experience in doing something, and are going to be a bit more careful at it, and take more time. Like it or not, but people that build their own systems tend to have a higher level of understanding.
fair enough but i will point out that if you do have a history of an adversarial process then resorting to it will always keep it an adversarial process. smile.gif
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"tend" The fact that he had got someone else to build his system are just as pointless as mentioning financial stats into the conversation. Last time I checked, pre builder do not have a PC knowledge test, which if you get too high of a mark, you cannot buy a pre build system.

you do bring up a valid point - there many "first time" builders that make a lot of mistakes. but after coming to a forum and asking why their $600 graphics card isn't getting the FPS gaming with that $100 cpu or why that PSU shaped paper weight exploded in a burst of flames; they usually increase their body of knowledge. thumb.gif
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