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gun=/=graphics cards..... really?! I didnt' know that. Thanks for the info. but since you couldn't read between the lines...I was trying to make the point that affordability does not dictate if something is overpriced.
And the point you're missing with your "arguement" is that one stick of gum is the same as another stick of gum while one being price much higher. Obviously if two things are the same and one is much higher it's obvious what you're going to choose. That's not the case in GPUs, since Titan offers more performance than any other single card solution it's going to cost more, get it? Being overpriced is simply opinion, period. Are exotic cars overpriced? Probably to someone who only needs an A to B car yes, but for those who are looking for something special or want/need more performance no.
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And the point you're missing with your "arguement" is that one stick of gum is the same as another stick of gum while one being price much higher. Obviously if two things are the same and one is much higher it's obvious what you're going to choose. That's not the case in GPUs, since Titan offers more performance than any other single card solution it's going to cost more, get it? Being overpriced is simply opinion, period. Are exotic cars overpriced? Probably to someone who only needs an A to B car yes, but for those who are looking for something special or want/need more performance no.

why don't you own a Titan? it's quite the steal at $1000. Who wouldn't jump on that!
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why don't you own a Titan? it's quite the steal at $1000. Who wouldn't jump on that!
Avoiding the argument and responding with a useless post. As the reason I don't want to buy a Titan as I don't find the 5-10% performance difference worth $350, that's not to say that no one else does however. Any other questions?
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I don't have any factual evidence but my gut feeling is that the R9 will be around the same performance as the 780 give or take 5%. I doubt it will be as fast as the Titan but even if it just matches the 780 that would be a pretty impressive little chip (well, not so little these days)...

This.

Way I see it, the R9 cards will be +/- 10% of the 780. Lower end, budget versions in the -5 to -10%, the spiff Ghz editions, +5 to +10% at stock speeds. Just makes too much sense to think otherwise based off of what little we know that has proven to be factual. While AMD is fitting more, if the page refferenced is close to true, its not that much more, and the ability to pack things into smaller spaces is getting better by the day. Still draw more power than a 780, but I have no doubt it will come with a heck of a games bundle. In bundling games, AMD is always a winner compared to Nvidia lately.

As to the Titan: Not a chance at stock speeds. But, and this is a big but, a moderate to heavy OC on the R9 should get it to Titan stock speeds no problem.

Agian, based off of opinion feed from the various rumour sites out there. smile.gif

As to Price? Who knows. AMD lately has rocked Nvidia's world on Price/Performance, so I can see it being cheaper than a 780, but not by a lot.

Fair disclosure: I happen to own a pair of Titans, so I do have a horse in this race. But the reasons I picked the Titan was partially for the e-peen, and partially I didn't want to have to dick around with new GPU's for 2 to 3 years... If I had waited long enough for when the 7990's went on sale for 600-800 bucks like they did last month, I would have gotten a pair of those!
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Avoiding the argument and responding with a useless post. As the reason I don't want to buy a Titan as I don't find the 5-10% performance difference worth $350, that's not to say that no one else does however. Any other questions?
Nope you proved my point. Thanks!
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Actually the fact that YOU can pay something and others can't (or don't want to) doesn't mean it is not overpriced. Something being overpriced means that the value or price put to that product is above what it really offers (like a rip off). Which actually is the definition of the GTX TITAN. It might be the king for now, but at what cost? is the extra 10% over the 780 worth the extra cash? maybe for some and for others it is not. But that it is an uber expensive VGA, is something you can't deny. Even if your bank account on the 6 digits. We are glad though that some can buy titans and enjoy them ! Besides, AMD is not competing with the TITAN here so there's no need for comparison. Even if it is near or if it beats it, the R9-290X should be released around the $600 usd mark, which is far below TITAN's price tag.

Actually he's right. If an item were objectively overpriced no would pay for it. Nvidia knows how economics and business works, there's no doubt that the price they chose is simply the optimal price segment for maximizing profits. Is the Titan expensive? Sure, relative to competing products. Is it overpriced? No, you are simply unwilling to pay the price, whereas others are.
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Actually he's right. If an item were objectively overpriced no would pay for it. Nvidia knows how economics and business works, there's no doubt that the price they chose is simply the optimal price segment for maximizing profits. Is the Titan expensive? Sure, relative to competing products. Is it overpriced? No, you are simply unwilling to pay the price, whereas others are.

Doesn't make sense since you're buying a Titian based on opinions and feelings...

And an item can be overpriced and affordable.
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Doesn't make sense since you're buying a Titian based on opinions and feelings...

And an item can be overpriced and affordable.

I don't think you understood a word I said
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I don't think you understood a word I said

nope not one word... it is over my pay grade! thumb.gif
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nope not one word... it is over my pay grade! thumb.gif

Alright...

Well IF no one were willing to pay for an item, we would say that item is overpriced based on the observation that no one is willing to pay for it. Hence objective.

And I agree with you when you say that an item can be both overpriced and affordable.
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