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[BSN] State of 4K

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Recently I read an article on one of the popular technology websites which drew a comparison between multi-monitor gaming and 4K displays, joining the frame in claiming that Nvidia has a superior experience in 4K over AMD. Our experience, however - was exactly the opposite.

First a bit of a background - here at BSN we have more than five years of experience working with 4K equipment, including displays. And while as a video enthusiast and 4K gaming proponent I just have to state that while gaming on a 4K panel is more immersive than AMD's Eyefinity and Nvidia (3D) Surround - the biggest problem lies within the displays themselves.
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When running on GeForce cards (tested with GTX 580 / 590 / 680 / Titan), games would show a Vertical tear (not a horizontal one), regardless of running with Vsync on or off. Furthermore, Nvidia cards would display the Start bar only to 50% of the screen, and the wallpaper was double.

Our test setup - we use 7970 boards from PowerColor and GTX Titan cards from Nvidia.

On the other hand, AMD Radeon hardware (tested on HD 7970) worked simple - just select Eyefinity mode and voila, the task bar would fill the screen, single wallpaper and most importantly, no vertical tear in the middle.
The reason for these issues was simple - the display required two Dual-Link DVI cables and Nvidia consumer cards experienced issues when running in dual display setup. The story was exactly the opposite on the Quadro cards, as witnessed after running the Quadro K5000 - no tearing what so ever, and unified display (single wallpaper). After we worked with Nvidia on explaining the exact nature of the problems, the company released a driver that fixed all of the issues encountered.

At the time, AMD offered better game experience, as you can read in our detailed 4K Shootout article. Bear in mind that we have tested scaling between a single, dual and triple-GPU configuration between AMD and Nvidia.

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And this brings us to the most important part of the whole story. Why would someone write an article mentioning or criticizing 4K gaming experience a week ahead of AMD's launch of 4K optimized drivers and the Hawaii GPU architecture in (you've guessed it) - Hawaii?
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Full article here.

http://www.brightsideofnews.com/news/2013/9/18/nvidia-launches-amd-has-issues-marketing-offensive-ahead-of-hawaii-launch.aspx



Here is the article which pcper did knowing full well the eyefinity drivers are not released, yet.

http://www.pcper.com/reviews/Graphics-Cards/Frame-Rating-Eyefinity-vs-Surround-Single-and-Multi-GPU-Configurations

AMD's response to this was
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As AMD has already publicly stated when the frame pacing feature was first introduced with Catalyst 13.8 beta, it does not address resolutions above 2560x1600. At the same time, AMD has also committed to addressing these cases in a future update. Details of the rollout for this solution will become very evident, and made public in the very near future.
I expect the eyefinity/dx9 frame pacing fix to arrive shortly before Hawaii's full launch.
 
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#2 ·
now i am definitely getting the new AMD cards. Thanks nvidia for showing us how good their product will be that you start like a child to say ''bad'' things about your competitor.
 
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Originally Posted by szeged View Post

i take it you havent seen the fixer.....
Haha, I found that really funny. Dumb as hell, but funny. Think I'm in the minority.
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#6 ·
So the title of BSN article would be "AMD launches 'Nvidia is Mean' marketing offensive"?

One article is hardly an "offensive" even if it was sponsored by Nvidia.
 
#7 ·
Ugh. I'm getting sick of this.

Gotta stop reading AMD vs. Nvidia news and threads and go back to just enjoying games with whatever graphics card I have.
 
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Originally Posted by szeged View Post

i take it you havent seen the fixer.....
is this for multi monitor setup?
 
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Originally Posted by Booty Warrior View Post

So, they're accusing PCPer of being in Nvidia's pocket, without any proof, and passing off a single article as some devious smear campaign. Ok...
Which is exactly what happened when they first wrote about the frame pacing issues.
 
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Originally Posted by Forceman View Post

Which is exactly what happened when they first wrote about the frame pacing issues.
And that was how AMD found out that the problem existed and started to do something about it. PCper was doing them a favor IMO.
 
#19 ·
Let me get this right:

BSN is complaining about PCPers article which apparently contradicts their own article

However, BSN discusses framerates, whilst PCPer discusses frametimings.

Two articles, two different subjects of analysis.

I don't even... wut?
 
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Originally Posted by Regent Square View Post

It was too loud("harsh") of a statement with no sophisticated proof omho.
Not really, fact remains that AMD only tackled the issue when reviewers hammered on it and they needed nVidia's FCAT tool to get tangible results. They even admitted to it and acknowledged the problem, which they were not aware of. Look around in this thread, I'm sure I didn't do that bad with my conjecture in relation to others
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#23 ·
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Originally Posted by Artikbot View Post

AMD made a funny series of videos.

nVIDIA goes apecrap with an angry and bold 'AMD has issues' statement.

At least play ball nVIDIA, don't get so mad
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Nvidia didn't make any statement regarding AMD actually. It's kind of ironic that BSN is accusing PCPer of bias while trying to pass this "story" off as journalism.
 
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Originally Posted by TheBlademaster01 View Post

Not really, fact remains that AMD only tackled the issue when reviewers hammered on it and they needed nVidia's FCAT tool to get tangible results. They even admitted to it and acknowledged the problem, which they were not aware of. Look around in this thread, I'm sure I didn't do that bad with my conjecture in relation to others
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1) Where can I read it? I mean throughout the last 6 months I never found it
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2) Oh, you are on the bottom of this list
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#25 ·
The issue with PCPer is that are showing a perceived biased by their actions. The initial frame rate article was good and showed an issue. However since then they seem to bring it out and trot it around again an again as new articles. Also while they quickly point out that AMD has latency issues with multiple cards they do not seem to point out the fact that their own testing shows with single cards AMD is better.

The truth is we are seeing the same thing in tech news that we see in regular news, a bias in a single direction. Now I am jot sure if it is due to money being given to sites, or easier product access or just bromances with PR reps, however the fact this is taking place more and more cannot be denied.

Oh they do their best to hide this bias in most cases. They will give the opposition rewards and say nice things. However really read the articles, read the wording, the adjectives used and the style, it quickly becomes obvious that they have a slant in one direction or another.

Let me clear this is NOT just on the NVidia side but some sites lean like this toward AMD as well. Welcome to the future of computing enthusiast sites, pick a side.
 
#26 ·
Its just mud slinging. It should be taken about as seriously as "Genesis does what nintendon't". Never trust what the first party says and look up multiple third party reviewers.
 
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