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Originally Posted by CptDanko View Post

So your saying AMD wasn't aware of the frame pacing problem till Ryan published it? I don't believe that for a second. I think AMD engys know what they are doing and their driver team has improved astronomically ever since they bought out ATI.

You saw the quote, they knew there were problems but they thought they affected everyone, they didn't realize Nvidia had made a concerted effort to improve their implementation. So aware, but indifferent. Or, if you don't believe that quote, then I guess the alternative would be that they didn't know at all, or they knew and just decided to ignore it since there was no way to prove anything (at the time). Neither of which makes AMD look the best - which is why it would be reasonable to assume they were telling Ryan the truth. The fact that they were able to provide a driver to fix it also leads credence to what he wrote - that they didn't realize it was something they could control until it was shown that Nvidia had done so.
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post #342 of 493
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You saw the quote, they knew there were problems but they thought they affected everyone, they didn't realize Nvidia had made a concerted effort to improve their implementation. So aware, but indifferent. Or, if you don't believe that quote, then I guess the alternative would be that they didn't know at all, or they knew and just decided to ignore it since there was no way to prove anything (at the time). Neither of which makes AMD look the best - which is why it would be reasonable to assume they were telling Ryan the truth. The fact that they were able to provide a driver to fix it also leads credence to what he wrote - that they didn't realize it was something they could control until it was shown that Nvidia had done so.

I think they knew, how could they not? they will have pulled Kepler apart the day after it was launched.

I think they will have been working on a fix, but in their own sweet time, PCper will have forced them to come up with a fast fix, "software" the longer term goal will have been to get a hardware fix in the same way Nvidia have.

Possibly for Hawaii, but now more realistically i think the hardware fix will be for the 20nm GPU's.
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No need to change the OP's thread title. Probably the best thing that has happened from Nvidia's perspective by continuing to draw attention to the issues that AMD has. If I stand back and read the thread, this is my takeaway folks. Probably is warranted, given AMD's reaction to pcper's article, and its inaction to addressing its own issues in a timely manner. No publicity is bad publicity. Great work everyone.
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Yes I understand but what I don't understand is how a whole driver team and engys didn't realize it was their problem and figured NVidia suffered from it as well.

These people are not stupid, they probably have plenty of NVidia rigs to compare with.
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post #345 of 493
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Yes I understand but what I don't understand is how a whole driver team and engys didn't realize it was their problem and figured NVidia suffered from it as well.

These people are not stupid, they probably have plenty of NVidia rigs to compare with.

My Physics teacher's son worked for AMD for a while. He wrote a program that automates the testing, so that might be the problem.

If you run tests on games with different configs automatically and only monitor the fps, then micro shuddering would slip under the radar.
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well said thumb.gif AMD through ATI has a 20+ year history in the GPU industry. These ATI guys have been designing GPUs even before the Internet began and much before any of these review sites even came into existence. I don't believe a large corporation like AMD is going to lie about a upcoming CF fix for Eyefinity or resolutions above 1600p after making a public statement / commitment.

...wow, with all of that experience you'd figure they wouldn't have to play whack-a-mole with fixes to multiple issues pointed out by review sites and not their own QA team.
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I think I should start buying AMD now frown.gif
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I think they knew, how could they not? they will have pulled Kepler apart the day after it was launched.

I think they will have been working on a fix, but in their own sweet time, PCper will have forced them to come up with a fast fix, "software" the longer term goal will have been to get a hardware fix in the same way Nvidia have.

Possibly for Hawaii, but now more realistically i think the hardware fix will be for the 20nm GPU's.

Thank you for making a rational post, this is how these topics should be discussed. Not the petty mud throwing everyone got into the first couple days of this thread.
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I have decided to change my mind and re-opened this thread. If the thread turns sour again, there won't be any other warnings given and the thread will be locked permanently.
post #350 of 493
Got to ask but I have seen it stated that 4k may be hardware limited here, if so then what bandwidth is currently supported? Seems more likely a software/driver issue.
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