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You know what the huge irony is right? I was reminded in another thread. This person accused of being a shill is the reason I know that AMD's latest drivers are pretty good for multi-GPU setups, at least for sub-1440p res, and that makes me more hopeful about returning to a multi-GPU setup in general.
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This thread is sorta crazy. The discussion is certainly interesting!

I'm Josh Walrath, I also write at PCPer. I've been at the site since 2008. Before that I wrote for my own place (penstarsys.com). I've been writing since around 1997 and covering the industry.

Bias is an interesting thing. I have been accused more than once about being biased, and a few times for good reason. Yes, to a certain extent bias exists. Everyone in this industry of ours creates relationships with the people that work for the hardware manufacturers. We get to know each other and there are those we become friends with. Being even handed is another thing altogether. In my time at PCPer, I have not ever seen Ryan giving one side or the other a boost (or a takedown) without it being deserved.

Refusing to read a site because of perceived bias is silly. The work being done by Ryan with frame rating is pretty tremendous. I cover AMD pretty extensively for PCPer and I end up doing a lot of the CPU/APU reviews. While I have close contact with AMD, I have never thought that Ryan was treating them poorly or acting in an unethical manner. The amount of work that goes into these reviews is amazing, and the data he is able to extract is really eye opening. For single GPU performance, AMD is really unquestionably ahead of NV in terms of price/perf. $300 HD 7970s are by far the best deal a user can get. Since AMD fixed their single card frame pacing issues last year, they have had a lot of success there. This is good for the industry as a whole. Now they just need to fix CrossFire/Eyefinity.

So many topics brought up here... remember when NVIDIA first came out with SLI, they quoted that the OOT connector was about 1 GB/sec. That was some... 7 years ago? My guess is that during this time they have improved that link plus added more hardware into their chip designs to further mitigate issues that arise through Multi-GPU implementations. My gut feeling is that AMD has not significantly improved their OOT bandwidth since its introduction with the X1950. I think AMD will be able to fix their CrossFire issues with current 7000 and earlier 6000 series of cards, but I think it will not show the scaling that we are hoping for (as in they are going to be limited by the OOT bandwidth, so theoretical performance will be below what 2 cards should be able to do).

BTW, NVIDIA started working on frame pacing back in the 3dfx days. For some reason 3dfx was ahead in overall smoothness, even though their performance was slower overall in the Voodoo 5/GeForce 2 GTS days. While the GF2 was faster, a lot of people complained about the smoothness of the implementation. ATI/AMD never spent the gobs of money on driver development that NVIDIA did, and only now are they starting to give that group the resources they deserve.

Anyway, I guess I just don't understand the visceral reaction some of you guys have towards PCPer. Having known Ryan since around 2000 (back when it was AMDMB.com...) I have nothing but respect for the guy. While we may not always agree, I have never seen him swayed by external interests from what he reports on. There are some good articles there, and I think we have one of the better podcasts/shows in the industry on Wednesday night. Some of you folks should check it out.
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Ok after 500 posts I think this thread has run it's course. Time to lock the gates.
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