Originally Posted by Dire Squirrel
You really need to start living in this century. People like you are what's holding tech back.
1: I don't care that some very old motherboards don't support bootable USB. If we keep catering to 2007 tech, we neglect 2013.
Go back a few more years and you will find motherboards that does not support booting from optical drives. Does that mean that all software needs to be available on floppy?
And come on. pulling out a 10-13 year old USB drive and claiming that since you couldn't make it bootable, the entire concept is flawed and doomed. For most major OS distributions you need 4Gb. Somehow i doubt that your ancient drive is anywhere near that. But more importantly, they are dirt cheap. BUY A NEW ONE.
2: You clearly DO need directions. You are the one claiming to have trouble doing simple tasks.
3: Optical is not always write once. You yourself mention rewritable DVD's and BluRay's.
And who says a USB drive HAS to be rewritten 1000's of times? If you wanted to make a OS recovery USB drive, is there a law that would stop you?
4: Optical disks are not viable for backup in an age where HDD's are cheaper. A DVD has almost no storage capacity.
The best current solution for backup, is an external raid setup. Preferably not in the same building.
I have my in-house server, a off-site server and on top of that I use third party storage and cloud. Are you going to claim that your fragile little pieces of plastic are more secure for long term storage?
The funny part is that while my solution my required a slightly larger initial investment, it is substantially cheaper in the long run. Not to mention infinitely more secure due to redundancy upon redundancy.
And as a bonus, I don't have to waste space storing 1000's of disks.
I don't appreciate the condescending attitude and the ad hominem attack as it does not positively contribute anything here at OCN if you want a civil discussion. While optical media does have the capability to write and rewrite on re-writeable disc the majority don't use it for that purpose but rather more for DVD-R, DVD+R and BD-R discs for permanent long-term storage. That's great that you've found the perfect backup solution for you but I was talking about the permanent part of the backup process which you seem to not understand the very definition of. Can your fancy raid setup hard drives be erased? If you've answered yes then it's not permanent. I'll have to remind you about internet speeds as a problem for retrieving any large data file back from cloud storage because you seem to believe everybody lives in Denmark where fiber optics is readily available which is not the case here in the United States. The average internet speed for the U.S. is 8.6Mbps and the global average internet speed is 3.1Mbps and no I didn't make it up you can read the datasheet and report
yourself. Cloud storage is hardly a good choice when someone has gigabytes of data to store on a less than 10Mbps upload rate. The average person won't be able to properly build and install a raid array either. Us working and fixing things on a computer is like the equivalent of a mechanic working and fixing things on a car. The average computer user is like the driver of a car as they only know how to operate it, but when things break down and you fix it for them it's like magic and you're the car repair mechanic.
Do you really believe and trust others with your data believing it to be 100% secure? Because I don't. Nothing is secure on the internet these days if you haven't learned yet. Once you put it on the internet it's no longer secure. I'd venture to believe that you've never heard of the NSA and its PRISM program. If you like the government spying on you go right ahead and throw all your personal files on that cloud storage. Government programs like the NSA can easily put a gag order in through the courts and make any company yield and give free roam access to the data and do whatever snooping they want. Feel free to use cloud storage and let other people do whatever they want with your data without you knowing it.
Originally Posted by Dire Squirrel
And just to make things clear. Optical discs are NOT considered archival media.
Then why does the M-Disc
exist then? I'd like you to prove that the optical disc M-Disc is not made for archival purposes. I never once mentioned optical discs as archival media but more of the process of writing permanent data for long term storage. Hard drives and flash drives can be erased and rewritten therefore they're not permanent. DVD-R/DVD+R and BD-R can only be written once and not rewritten over. You still fail to understand the meaning of permanent. Just think of it this way, your favorite hard drive and flash drives are like a pencil. You can write things with them and when you make a mistake or you don't like that thing you wrote with it anymore you can erase it. Think of the ODD DVD-R/DVD+R and BD-R as a Sharpie marker, once you write with it you can't erase anything you wrote with it. The concept is simple enough for anyone to understand. Think of it like this, there's currently no other Sharpie marker technology to replace optical disc because it's the only medium that is permanent and readily accessible to the public currently. Until there is another Sharpie medium that can permanently write data for storage better than optical discs it's unlikely that they will go away meaning computer case makers will still include 5.25" bays for system builders like Dell, HP, Lenovo, etc.. and will continue to bundle ODD's with their pre-configured systems along with their associated restore discs.
Your arguments still do not change the facts that 5.25" bays are still needed as the majority of case makers still include 5.25" bays for various other things even if it's not purely for optical drives. Just because you don't use an ODD doesn't mean no one else uses it or has no need for 5.25" bays.
If you can't positively contribute to this community without continually adding ad hominem attacks then we have nothing further to discuss about.